<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>
>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>
>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>> issues.
>>
>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but when
>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>> which is in Wales.
>>
>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>
> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
> Naughty me.

Yep, basic memory issues.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
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On 30.01.23 18:19, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>
>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>
>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>> issues.
>>
>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but when
>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>> which is in Wales.
>>
>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>
> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
> Naughty me.

I assume knowing the difference between England and Wales is enough to
accuse someone of being a woke twat or something.

Robin

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>
>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>
>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>> needle in a haystack.
>>
>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>
> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>

If you can't remember the name of the app perhaps you don't need it after
all?

> Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.
>
> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
> works.

On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
with me right now to try on android.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:30:34 +0000, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:

> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
....
>> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
>> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how
>> yours works.
>
> On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work
> phone with me right now to try on android.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver

On my Android the same, swipe down home screen, search box at top.

(Swipe down - or up - on the home screen being the way to see all of the
apps anyway).

nib

In message <tr8ono$3bbmb$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:00 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36
>>on Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>><afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK,
>>>>>>>>>>>let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>for Russia
>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't
>>>>>>>>>tell if it
>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can
>>>>>>>>use your
>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English
>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>
>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>
>The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be
>set up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>(this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>in standard Android)

>1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps

I've seen the suggestion to "swipe up" before, but on my phone it does
nothing.

>2) use search box at bottom of screen

Just tried it on another phone, and this time "swipe up" produces an
uncurated set of screens for all apps, no search. The three dots in the
RH top corner has: "Sort / Clean up pages / Home Screen Settings/
Contact us"".
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr8tl5$3c7h7$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:09:57 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>> Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
>>> Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>>
>>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>>
>> The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be set
>> up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>> I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>> phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>> (this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>> in standard Android)
>> 1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
>> 2) use search box at bottom of screen
>
>That latter is exactly how it works for me - Fairphone 3 which I assume is
>a pretty standard Android - except that after swiping up the search box is
>at the top of the screen and says “[magnifier] Search apps”.

One of the reasons I stopped publishing "how to" guides regarding things
like setting privacy options, was that Android is about as far from
standard as one could imagine (and iPhone wasn't a lot better). And
other people's guides always assumed that their way, was the only way.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8tl5$3c7h7$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:09:57 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>> Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>>>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
>>>> Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>>>
>>>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>>> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>>>
>>> The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be set
>>> up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>>> I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>>> phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>>> (this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>>> in standard Android)
>>> 1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
>>> 2) use search box at bottom of screen
>>
>> That latter is exactly how it works for me - Fairphone 3 which I assume is
>> a pretty standard Android - except that after swiping up the search box is
>> at the top of the screen and says “[magnifier] Search apps”.
>
> One of the reasons I stopped publishing "how to" guides regarding things
> like setting privacy options, was that Android is about as far from
> standard as one could imagine (and iPhone wasn't a lot better). And
> other people's guides always assumed that their way, was the only way.

But you don’t use an iPhone. How can you pass comment on its privacy
settings being non standard?

In message <tr8u8j$3cbbt$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:19 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>>>coping with
>>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>>
>>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>>
>>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>>> needle in a haystack.
>>>
>>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>>
>> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
>> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>>
>> Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.
>>
>> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
>> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
>> works.
>
>I’ve never struggled to know the name of the app I want.

I gave three examples of names which give no clue to what the app is
for. There are plenty of others.

>On my iPhone I just swipe down for the search function and start to
>type in the app name. Is that what you mean by “search for app by
>name” function?

Yes; there's nothing like that on either of my Android phones.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr8u8r$3cbh2$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:27 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>>
>>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>>> "add this new app".
>>>>
>>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>>
>>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>>
>>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>>
>> No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
>> claiming I only buy cheap things.
>
>I distinctly remember you saying your phone cost around £150, when berating
>me for the cost of my iPhone.

That's what I would have paid (not necessarily my current one, it's
difficult to keep track), because that's something I have knack for.

Probably not in this instance, but a lot of stuff can be bought at about
half-price if you are prepared to accept one that's been sent back as
unwanted in 14days, and refurbished for resale. (What else are they
going to do with them - it's illegal to pass them off as brand new,
although some bricks-and-mortar shops might still attempt it)).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8ono$3bbmb$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:00 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>> Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36
>>> on Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK,
>>>>>>>>>>>> let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't
>>>>>>>>>> tell if it
>>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can
>>>>>>>>> use your
>>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>>
>> The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be
>> set up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>> I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>> phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>> (this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>> in standard Android)
>
>> 1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
>
> I've seen the suggestion to "swipe up" before, but on my phone it does
> nothing.
>
>> 2) use search box at bottom of screen
>
> Just tried it on another phone, and this time "swipe up" produces an
> uncurated set of screens for all apps, no search. The three dots in the
> RH top corner has: "Sort / Clean up pages / Home Screen Settings/
> Contact us"".

I don’t normally use Android. I have recently purchased an old Android
phone to run some software that my iPhone won’t. It’s taken me all of 10
seconds to work out how to search for an app. You claim to evaluate
software but seem unable to use your own phone properly. (My phone has a
row of fixed icons at the bottom of the main screen. One is a white circle
with 6 black dots. Pressing that brings up a screen of apps in alphabetical
order. At the top of that screen is a search box). I can’t say that I’m
much enamoured with Android, but that is probably unfamiliarity and an old
version of Android - v6.

In message <tr93he$3cb2n$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:50:22 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, nib <news@ingram-bromley.co.uk> remarked:
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:30:34 +0000, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>...
>>> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
>>> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how
>>> yours works.
>>
>> On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work
>> phone with me right now to try on android.
>>
>
>On my Android the same, swipe down home screen, search box at top.

Swipe down on mine

Phone #1: expands the alerts from the top line. No search facility.
Phone #2: produces a number of settings I can tinker with. No search
facility

>(Swipe down - or up - on the home screen being the way to see all of the
>apps anyway).

See above for swipe-down, swipe up does nothing.

Don't be fooled into thinking all Android phones work the same.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>>>coping with
>>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>>
>>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>>
>>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>>> needle in a haystack.
>>>
>>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>>
>> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
>> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>
>If you can't remember the name of the app perhaps you don't need it after
>all?

I remember the function I want, not the bizarre name the company calls
itself. Another example to add to those I've mentioned earlier - to rent
an electric scooter in Cambridge the app name has no clues about any of
that, but is called "Voi".

>> Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.
>>
>> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
>> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
>> works.
>
>On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>with me right now to try on android.

I've tried on two here. Zilch.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8u8r$3cbh2$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:27 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>>>> "add this new app".
>>>>>
>>>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>>>
>>>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>>>
>>> No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
>>> claiming I only buy cheap things.
>>
>> I distinctly remember you saying your phone cost around £150, when berating
>> me for the cost of my iPhone.
>
> That's what I would have paid (not necessarily my current one, it's
> difficult to keep track), because that's something I have knack for.
>
> Probably not in this instance, but a lot of stuff can be bought at about
> half-price if you are prepared to accept one that's been sent back as
> unwanted in 14days, and refurbished for resale. (What else are they
> going to do with them - it's illegal to pass them off as brand new,
> although some bricks-and-mortar shops might still attempt it)).

Ah ok - so about 6 to 12 months ago you mock me for spending £490 (ish) on
an iPhone and proudly state you spend £150. Then it transpires you spend
£485 ($600) on an Android phone.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr8u8r$3cbh2$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:27 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>>>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>>>>> "add this new app".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>>>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
>>>> claiming I only buy cheap things.
>>>
>>> I distinctly remember you saying your phone cost around £150, when berating
>>> me for the cost of my iPhone.
>>
>> That's what I would have paid (not necessarily my current one, it's
>> difficult to keep track), because that's something I have knack for.
>>
>> Probably not in this instance, but a lot of stuff can be bought at about
>> half-price if you are prepared to accept one that's been sent back as
>> unwanted in 14days, and refurbished for resale. (What else are they
>> going to do with them - it's illegal to pass them off as brand new,
>> although some bricks-and-mortar shops might still attempt it)).
>
> Ah ok - so about 6 to 12 months ago you mock me for spending £490 (ish) on
> an iPhone and proudly state you spend £150. Then it transpires you spend
> £485 ($600) on an Android phone.

I don't think it's what he meant to say. In reality, surely he bought a
cut-price refurbished used phone which he thinks might have been in the
$600 range if bought new?

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr8u8r$3cbh2$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:27 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>>>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>>>>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>>>>>> "add this new app".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>>>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>>>>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
>>>>> claiming I only buy cheap things.
>>>>
>>>> I distinctly remember you saying your phone cost around £150, when berating
>>>> me for the cost of my iPhone.
>>>
>>> That's what I would have paid (not necessarily my current one, it's
>>> difficult to keep track), because that's something I have knack for.
>>>
>>> Probably not in this instance, but a lot of stuff can be bought at about
>>> half-price if you are prepared to accept one that's been sent back as
>>> unwanted in 14days, and refurbished for resale. (What else are they
>>> going to do with them - it's illegal to pass them off as brand new,
>>> although some bricks-and-mortar shops might still attempt it)).
>>
>> Ah ok - so about 6 to 12 months ago you mock me for spending £490 (ish) on
>> an iPhone and proudly state you spend £150. Then it transpires you spend
>> £485 ($600) on an Android phone.
>
> I don't think it's what he meant to say. In reality, surely he bought a
> cut-price refurbished used phone which he thinks might have been in the
> $600 range if bought new?
>

Or maybe the 'one in the $600 range such as I use' was provided by an
employer as a work phone?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>>>> coping with
>>>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>>>> needle in a haystack.
>>>>
>>>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>>>
>>> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
>>> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>>
>> If you can't remember the name of the app perhaps you don't need it after
>> all?
>
> I remember the function I want, not the bizarre name the company calls
> itself. Another example to add to those I've mentioned earlier - to rent
> an electric scooter in Cambridge the app name has no clues about any of
> that, but is called "Voi".
>

If I search for "scoot" on my phone, the Voi app comes up in the results.
Not right at the top, where it would if I searched for "voi" (in the
section titled "top hits"), but in the third section "apps" (below "Siri
suggestions", in this case a selection of web results) - but still on the
first screen, above the keyboard at the bottom of the screen.

It's almost as if, perhaps, someone has already thought of this?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 19:13:26 +0000
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:45 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>>>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>>>
>>>>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>>>>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>>>>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.
>>>
>>>Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
>>>even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
>>>tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat halfwit.
>>>Supermarkets are usually ok.
>>>
>>Have you checked the tick list to see which groups you have still to
>>insult?
>
>Woke twats like you?
>
>I would have thought basic understanding of UK currency might be core training
>before someone works in retail but clearly thats beyond some shop owners.
>
Core training that seems in your case to have missed that the UK
consists of more than England (but FTAOD not Jersey).

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:12:56 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <tr8ono$3bbmb$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:46:00 on Mon, 30 Jan
>2023, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>>Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36
>>>on Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>>><afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK,
>>>>>>>>>>>>let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>>for Russia
>>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't
>>>>>>>>>>tell if it
>>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can
>>>>>>>>>use your
>>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English
>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>>phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>>
>>The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be
>>set up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>>I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>>phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>>(this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>>in standard Android)
>
>>1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
>
>I've seen the suggestion to "swipe up" before, but on my phone it does
>nothing.
>
>>2) use search box at bottom of screen
>
>Just tried it on another phone, and this time "swipe up" produces an
>uncurated set of screens for all apps, no search. The three dots in the
>RH top corner has: "Sort / Clean up pages / Home Screen Settings/
>Contact us"".
>
Having just checked mine (Alcatel), the search is at the top of the
screen BUT its presence is optional (in "Settings") so you probably
get whatever each manufacturer chooses to install for the initial
settings.

Am 30.01.2023 um 21:43 schrieb Roland Perry:
> In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30
>>> Jan 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on
>>>>> Sat, 28 Jan 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on
>>>>>>> Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be
>>>>>>>>>>> having to coping with 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only
>>>>>>>>>>> shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit
>>>>>>>>> groups (such as car-parking-fee apps). But it's not
>>>>>>>>> always obvious how to build a hierarchy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google
>>>>>>>>> folder, or a Maps folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe
>>>>> between; needle in a haystack.
>>>>
>>>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3
>>>> keystrokes.
>>>
>>> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming
>>> even more bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the
>>> function).
>>
>> If you can't remember the name of the app perhaps you don't need it
>> after all?

Right. 'What's the new name of the app that was called 'Google Pay'
last time I used it'?- Ah, I can find it in the 'Google' folder.

> I remember the function I want, not the bizarre name the company
> calls itself. Another example to add to those I've mentioned earlier
> - to rent an electric scooter in Cambridge the app name has no clues
> about any of that, but is called "Voi".

So it is extremely important to place rarely used but important apps
into meaningful folders. Games I've forgotten the name of I can just
delete.

Rolf

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 30.01.2023 um 21:43 schrieb Roland Perry:
>
>> I remember the function I want, not the bizarre name the company
>> calls itself. Another example to add to those I've mentioned earlier
>> - to rent an electric scooter in Cambridge the app name has no clues
>> about any of that, but is called "Voi".
>
> So it is extremely important to place rarely used but important apps
> into meaningful folders. Games I've forgotten the name of I can just
> delete.
>

Games I play regularly I remember by name. Games I play less often are in
folders "games" and "good games" *grin*. My favourite game was sadly lost
to not being updated by the developer (I suspect they no longer exist).

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>
>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>
>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>
>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but
>when
>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>> which is in Wales.
>>>
>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>
>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>
>> Naughty me.
>
>Yep, basic memory issues.

Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
virtually interchangable too.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:43:57 +0100
Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>On 30.01.23 18:19, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>
>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>
>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>
>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but
>when
>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>> which is in Wales.
>>>
>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>
>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>
>> Naughty me.
>
>I assume knowing the difference between England and Wales is enough to
>accuse someone of being a woke twat or something.

England has approx 7x the population of the rest of the UK put together.
The amount of noise the celtics make is way beyond their importance.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:17:00 +0000
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 19:13:26 +0000
>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:45 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
>>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>>>>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>>>>>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>>>>>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
>>>>even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
>>>>tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat
>halfwit.
>>>>Supermarkets are usually ok.
>>>>
>>>Have you checked the tick list to see which groups you have still to
>>>insult?
>>
>>Woke twats like you?
>>
>>I would have thought basic understanding of UK currency might be core training
>
>>before someone works in retail but clearly thats beyond some shop owners.
>>
>Core training that seems in your case to have missed that the UK
>consists of more than England (but FTAOD not Jersey).

Perhaps go back and read what I wrote then get back to me. Or are you suggesting
that scottish notes *shouldn't* be accepted in england?

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:43:19 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
>2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>>
>>On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>>with me right now to try on android.
>
>I've tried on two here. Zilch.

How on earth do you do an internet search on your phone? On my home
screen there's a Google search box. I type, or begin to type, a search
term into it and get results, whether they're apps or internet
results.

Let me guess - you fire up the browser and search from there,
restricting the results to the web.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:29:56 +0000
Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:43:19 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>>>with me right now to try on android.
>>
>>I've tried on two here. Zilch.
>
>How on earth do you do an internet search on your phone? On my home
>screen there's a Google search box. I type, or begin to type, a search
>term into it and get results, whether they're apps or internet
>results.
>
>Let me guess - you fire up the browser and search from there,
>restricting the results to the web.

How can anyone have so many apps on their phone that they need to do a text
search for them??