On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:04:26 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
<anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

>Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 22 Jan 2023 at 3:03:52 PM EET, "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don?t quite follow the need for a finger print. The passport is the
>>>>> identifier that should be used to count how many days you?ve been in
>>>>> Schengen. If there are worries about the passport belonging to the person
>>>>> presenting it doesn?t that equally apply to Schengen passport holders?
>>>> It does. Which is why it's been mandatory for all EU issued passports to
>>>> include fingerprint data for a while now (and indeed why the new biometric ID
>>>> cards also include fingerprint data.)
>>> But are Schengen passport holders expected to present their fingers for
>>> checking? Genuine question, I don?t know.
>>
>> I don't know (and I'm not minded to dig through the EU website at
>> this point, it's late,) but given that it has been made mandatory
>> for all EU identity cards and passports to carry chips with the
>> holder's fingerprint data, one might reasonably guess that's the
>> plan at some point... Although "at some point" may well be a
>> decade away, given existing documents need to expire/be replaced,
>> so I guess for a while at least Schengen passport holders will be
>> saved that trouble.
>>
>> It doesn't need to be particularly painful though. China has long
>> collected fingerprints when they issue visas, and then check them
>> at the border, and it seems quick and reliable. Certainly much
>> quicker than the face recognition checks that take place at the
>> current generation of eGates. I was fingerprinted somewhere else
>> recently - Thailand maybe? - on arrival as well, and I'm fairly
>> sure those aren't the only two; it's getting routine enough not
>> to be notable to be honest.
>>
>
>One place I visited pre-covid took fingerprints on arrival and IIRC checked
>them on departure (presumably in case I'd had either a finger or face
>transplant in the meantime) - either Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan, but I
>can't remember which. As you specified China, and also from memory of the
>departure airport, I'm minded to say it was Hong Kong.
>
>
>Anna Noyd-Dryver

My only experience of fingerprinting was arriving at EZE/Bs. As. for a
cruise pushing ten years ago, all part of Argentina's ETA huff against
Canadian/Ammurican/Australian passport-holders discussed elsewhere in
the thread.

Subsequent to boarding ship (and exit ARG -- sort of -- prior to
visiting URG), formalities included another fingerprint check to match
the arrival set.

I say "sort of" because the cruise line on boarding confiscated
passports for duration till arrival at the final call (of three) in
Chile... except departure from Bs. As. wasn't till the day after
boarding and pax were allowed back on land that Sunday (in a
semi-attempt to keep this on-topic I explored rail service out of
Retiro to ride the Tren de la Costa in the Paraná delta).

Later calls at Puerto Madryn and Úshuaia (not to forget
Montevideo/Stanley/Punta Arenas/Puerto Montt) were passport-less too.

It is not a pleasant feeling to explore foreign locales with just a
photocopy of crucial papers.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 13:56:45 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <13gush10uk7aip6usd9im248msfte4qvff@4ax.com>, at 18:21:57 on
>Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 00:41:52 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
>><hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On 23/01/2023 21:00, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:00:40 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa for Russia
>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use your
>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>> The trouble with unwanted new apps is the storage on the 'phone might
>>>> not be able to keep up with them if you get too many of them. My
>>>> 'phone has more than the basic storage but e.g. I have had to dump 2
>>>> out of 4 different parking apps to stop them and other apps
>>>> constipating it.
>>>
>>>iPhone will offload some apps that have not seen use in a while.
>>
>>Android (in my experience) will *suggest* the user might consider
>>removing/unenabling same
>
>Yes it does, but curiously it's always ones I want to keep, rather than
>ones which are truly dormant. Maybe it only tracks the ones which have
>been used in the recent-ish past?

My experience is the opposite: mine tells me, "You haven't used this
in a while... wanna do sumfink about it?"

On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:20:48 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr0uv3$1p46h$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:43:15 on Fri, 27 Jan
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa for Russia
>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>> different foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>
>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>
>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>> hierarchy.
>>
>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>> folder.
>
>Decisions, decisions!

That's *funny*; my Google icon/folder has eleven Googlish apps,
including Maps already there...

The eels in Ely must slither elsewhere.

On 28/01/2023 01:01, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:04:26 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 22 Jan 2023 at 3:03:52 PM EET, "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don?t quite follow the need for a finger print. The passport is the
>>>>>> identifier that should be used to count how many days you?ve been in
>>>>>> Schengen. If there are worries about the passport belonging to the person
>>>>>> presenting it doesn?t that equally apply to Schengen passport holders?
>>>>> It does. Which is why it's been mandatory for all EU issued passports to
>>>>> include fingerprint data for a while now (and indeed why the new biometric ID
>>>>> cards also include fingerprint data.)
>>>> But are Schengen passport holders expected to present their fingers for
>>>> checking? Genuine question, I don?t know.
>>>
>>> I don't know (and I'm not minded to dig through the EU website at
>>> this point, it's late,) but given that it has been made mandatory
>>> for all EU identity cards and passports to carry chips with the
>>> holder's fingerprint data, one might reasonably guess that's the
>>> plan at some point... Although "at some point" may well be a
>>> decade away, given existing documents need to expire/be replaced,
>>> so I guess for a while at least Schengen passport holders will be
>>> saved that trouble.
>>>
>>> It doesn't need to be particularly painful though. China has long
>>> collected fingerprints when they issue visas, and then check them
>>> at the border, and it seems quick and reliable. Certainly much
>>> quicker than the face recognition checks that take place at the
>>> current generation of eGates. I was fingerprinted somewhere else
>>> recently - Thailand maybe? - on arrival as well, and I'm fairly
>>> sure those aren't the only two; it's getting routine enough not
>>> to be notable to be honest.
>>>
>>
>> One place I visited pre-covid took fingerprints on arrival and IIRC checked
>> them on departure (presumably in case I'd had either a finger or face
>> transplant in the meantime) - either Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan, but I
>> can't remember which. As you specified China, and also from memory of the
>> departure airport, I'm minded to say it was Hong Kong.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
> My only experience of fingerprinting was arriving at EZE/Bs. As. for a
> cruise pushing ten years ago, all part of Argentina's ETA huff against
> Canadian/Ammurican/Australian passport-holders discussed elsewhere in
> the thread.

Fingerprinting has been standard at EZE for many years. They even show
you a video while you are queuing demonstrating how to run a police state!

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:28:56 +0000
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 27/01/2023 17:15, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> While deriving all the advantages of the UK being in the EU.
>>
>> Feel like expanding on that?
>
>Freedom of movement and work in EU. Steady supply of seasonal workers
>for the hospitality industry, second biggest earner. They didn't need to

Which part of "they've never been in the EU" escaped you? Being able to
work in the UK as a foreign national didn't give them the automatic right to
work in the channel islands.

>>> Absolutely no comparison with Scotland.
>>
>> Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>> comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>
>
>So, we print our own comedy banknotes (at least I think we still do,
>they may be printed in Poland now).

The BoE notes are printed in England. Perhaps scottish banks prefer it to
be done elsewhere, who knows.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>
>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.

Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat halfwit.
Supermarkets are usually ok.

On 28/01/2023 10:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:28:56 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 27/01/2023 17:15, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> While deriving all the advantages of the UK being in the EU.
>>>
>>> Feel like expanding on that?
>>
>> Freedom of movement and work in EU. Steady supply of seasonal workers
>> for the hospitality industry, second biggest earner. They didn't need to
>
> Which part of "they've never been in the EU" escaped you? Being able to
> work in the UK as a foreign national didn't give them the automatic right to
> work in the channel islands.

Didn't hinder them either, unlike here now.

>
>>>> Absolutely no comparison with Scotland.
>>>
>>> Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>> comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>
>>
>> So, we print our own comedy banknotes (at least I think we still do,
>> they may be printed in Poland now).
>
> The BoE notes are printed in England. Perhaps scottish banks prefer it to
> be done elsewhere, who knows.
>

De La Rue, Debden, Essex

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:28:21 +0000
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 28/01/2023 10:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:28:56 +0000
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/01/2023 17:15, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> While deriving all the advantages of the UK being in the EU.
>>>>
>>>> Feel like expanding on that?
>>>
>>> Freedom of movement and work in EU. Steady supply of seasonal workers
>>> for the hospitality industry, second biggest earner. They didn't need to
>>
>> Which part of "they've never been in the EU" escaped you? Being able to
>> work in the UK as a foreign national didn't give them the automatic right to
>> work in the channel islands.
>
>Didn't hinder them either, unlike here now.

If successive governments had found a pair of bollocks and stopped unemployment
benefit (or whatever its called this week) to able bodied people who are
eligable for work but still out of work after a certain length of time or ones
who get through multiple permanent jobs offered a year it would have got the
workshy off their fat arses and into the cabbage picking jobs that the
bulgarians did.

>> The BoE notes are printed in England. Perhaps scottish banks prefer it to
>> be done elsewhere, who knows.
>>
>
>De La Rue, Debden, Essex

Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
which IIRC without googling is in wales.

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:04:26 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 22 Jan 2023 at 3:03:52 PM EET, "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don?t quite follow the need for a finger print. The passport is the
>>>>>> identifier that should be used to count how many days you?ve been in
>>>>>> Schengen. If there are worries about the passport belonging to the person
>>>>>> presenting it doesn?t that equally apply to Schengen passport holders?
>>>>> It does. Which is why it's been mandatory for all EU issued passports to
>>>>> include fingerprint data for a while now (and indeed why the new biometric ID
>>>>> cards also include fingerprint data.)
>>>> But are Schengen passport holders expected to present their fingers for
>>>> checking? Genuine question, I don?t know.
>>>
>>> I don't know (and I'm not minded to dig through the EU website at
>>> this point, it's late,) but given that it has been made mandatory
>>> for all EU identity cards and passports to carry chips with the
>>> holder's fingerprint data, one might reasonably guess that's the
>>> plan at some point... Although "at some point" may well be a
>>> decade away, given existing documents need to expire/be replaced,
>>> so I guess for a while at least Schengen passport holders will be
>>> saved that trouble.
>>>
>>> It doesn't need to be particularly painful though. China has long
>>> collected fingerprints when they issue visas, and then check them
>>> at the border, and it seems quick and reliable. Certainly much
>>> quicker than the face recognition checks that take place at the
>>> current generation of eGates. I was fingerprinted somewhere else
>>> recently - Thailand maybe? - on arrival as well, and I'm fairly
>>> sure those aren't the only two; it's getting routine enough not
>>> to be notable to be honest.
>>>
>>
>> One place I visited pre-covid took fingerprints on arrival and IIRC checked
>> them on departure (presumably in case I'd had either a finger or face
>> transplant in the meantime) - either Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan, but I
>> can't remember which. As you specified China, and also from memory of the
>> departure airport, I'm minded to say it was Hong Kong.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
> My only experience of fingerprinting was arriving at EZE/Bs. As. for a
> cruise pushing ten years ago, all part of Argentina's ETA huff against
> Canadian/Ammurican/Australian passport-holders discussed elsewhere in
> the thread.
>
> Subsequent to boarding ship (and exit ARG -- sort of -- prior to
> visiting URG), formalities included another fingerprint check to match
> the arrival set.
>
> I say "sort of" because the cruise line on boarding confiscated
> passports for duration till arrival at the final call (of three) in
> Chile... except departure from Bs. As. wasn't till the day after
> boarding and pax were allowed back on land that Sunday (in a
> semi-attempt to keep this on-topic I explored rail service out of
> Retiro to ride the Tren de la Costa in the Paraná delta).
>
> Later calls at Puerto Madryn and Úshuaia (not to forget
> Montevideo/Stanley/Punta Arenas/Puerto Montt) were passport-less too.
>
> It is not a pleasant feeling to explore foreign locales with just a
> photocopy of crucial papers.
>

My Antarctic cruise in 2005 also involved the ship keeping our passports (I
guess that's easier to manage on a vessel of ~100 passengers than on one
with multiple thousands of passengers!); I think that our passports were
checked en-mass at Stanley before we were allowed off the ship, but I'm
also pretty sure we could ask for the passport back to take it ashore for a
stamp from the tourist office. If I remember I'll check what stamps I have
in that passport, next week. We only visited the peninsula, South Georgia
and Falklands (multiple stops in each) between leaving Ushuaia and
returning to Ushuaia.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <gqt8th9krmq8m33oelj411979kdl8ocrad@4ax.com>, at 17:19:30 on
Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:20:48 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr0uv3$1p46h$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:43:15 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>for Russia
>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>> different foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>
>>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>> hierarchy.
>>>
>>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>> folder.
>>
>>Decisions, decisions!
>
>That's *funny*; my Google icon/folder has eleven Googlish apps,
>including Maps already there...

That's the default, but it might not be the most intuitive place.

Another example: Google TV, might be better off in a folder along with
iPlayer etc.
--
Roland Perry

In message <r298thdjmi5cgohjgjaq4qdvltepdlapto@4ax.com>, at 19:23:41 on
Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:

>>>I have a hundreds of apps on my phone, and while they do all add up to
>>>about 50GB, it's not the travel apps that are consuming all the space - it's
>>>the likes of Netflix, Spotify, Audible, and (somewhat deranged, but I guess
>>>I've never cleared its download cache - 1.83GB!) The Times that occupy the top
>>>positions.
>>
>>That sounds like it's the data for those apps which is using the
>>storage, not the app itself.
>>
>Browser caches can collect a fair amount of waste that occasionally
>needs clearing out.

Yes, that's within the data for the app known as a browser.

The greediest app I have is Google Play, which apparently needs 542MB
for itself, and 501MB for data. Only 13MB is in its cache.

Second is a mapping app (that I don't recall using for a year or more)
which is 263MB plus 379MB of data.

Google [browser] is third with 439MB for the App and 173MB of data
(which includes 44MB of cache).

Facebook comes fourth with a comparatively slim 76MB of App, and 482MB
of data (of which 392MB is cache).
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr115g$1ph3f$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:48 on Fri, 27 Jan
2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>
>I hadn’t noticed that, but I don’t have enough apps to need the feature.

Sounds like you are successfully resisting the almost daily entreaties
to add more apps. Which is the original topic here.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>
>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>
>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.

>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>hierarchy.

>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>folder.
>
>What works better for you?

"None of the above", but that's not an option.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ujt8th1hheeb5fnlofdtr3hkfm4rros9gb@4ax.com>, at 17:14:04 on
Fri, 27 Jan 2023, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 13:56:45 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <13gush10uk7aip6usd9im248msfte4qvff@4ax.com>, at 18:21:57 on
>>Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
>>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 00:41:52 +0000, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk"
>>><hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 23/01/2023 21:00, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:00:40 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>for Russia
>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use your
>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The trouble with unwanted new apps is the storage on the 'phone might
>>>>> not be able to keep up with them if you get too many of them. My
>>>>> 'phone has more than the basic storage but e.g. I have had to dump 2
>>>>> out of 4 different parking apps to stop them and other apps
>>>>> constipating it.
>>>>
>>>>iPhone will offload some apps that have not seen use in a while.
>>>
>>>Android (in my experience) will *suggest* the user might consider
>>>removing/unenabling same
>>
>>Yes it does, but curiously it's always ones I want to keep, rather than
>>ones which are truly dormant. Maybe it only tracks the ones which have
>>been used in the recent-ish past?
>
>My experience is the opposite: mine tells me, "You haven't used this
>in a while... wanna do sumfink about it?"

Yes, but only for ones I have used fairly recently, but not very
recently. It ignores the more dormant ones.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>
>>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>> hierarchy.
>
>>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>> folder.
>>
>> What works better for you?
>
> "None of the above", but that's not an option.

Of course it's an option. You can leave the app outside of any folders (I
have my most-used apps and folders on the first two screens, a simple swipe
to get between them) or you can create a folder of your own ("uk.railway
suggested apps" perhaps).

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 27 Jan 2023 at 10:07:04 PM EET, "Anna Noyd-Dryver" <anna@noyd-dryver.com>
wrote:

> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't need to be particularly painful though. China has long
>>>> collected fingerprints when they issue visas, and then check them
>>>> at the border, and it seems quick and reliable. Certainly much
>>>> quicker than the face recognition checks that take place at the
>>>> current generation of eGates. I was fingerprinted somewhere else
>>>> recently - Thailand maybe? - on arrival as well, and I'm fairly
>>>> sure those aren't the only two; it's getting routine enough not
>>>> to be notable to be honest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> One place I visited pre-covid took fingerprints on arrival and IIRC checked
>>> them on departure (presumably in case I'd had either a finger or face
>>> transplant in the meantime) - either Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan, but I
>>> can't remember which. As you specified China, and also from memory of the
>>> departure airport, I'm minded to say it was Hong Kong.
>>
>> When I went to Kenya, they checked more fingerprints on arrival than
>> departure.
>>
>
> In case you lose some while you're there?!? *raises eyebrow*
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver

Well, practically speaking, yes.

In my experience they collect all fngers on both hands when you are
*registered*. But then when subsequently *checked* any finger will do.

And indeed, it's fairly obviously in case you lose a finger between
registration and checking. Or perhaps more commonly, scratch one, or burn a
fingertip fishing your bread out of the fondue, or whatever other myriad ways
you can think of to render one fingerprint unreadable..

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr115g$1ph3f$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:20:48 on Fri, 27 Jan
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>
>> I hadn’t noticed that, but I don’t have enough apps to need the feature.
>
> Sounds like you are successfully resisting the almost daily entreaties
> to add more apps. Which is the original topic here.

FSVO “original”…

Sam

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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:28:21 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 28/01/2023 10:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:28:56 +0000
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/01/2023 17:15, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> While deriving all the advantages of the UK being in the EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel like expanding on that?
>>>>
>>>> Freedom of movement and work in EU. Steady supply of seasonal workers
>>>> for the hospitality industry, second biggest earner. They didn't need to
>>>
>>> Which part of "they've never been in the EU" escaped you? Being able to
>>> work in the UK as a foreign national didn't give them the automatic right to
>>> work in the channel islands.
>>
>> Didn't hinder them either, unlike here now.
>
> If successive governments had found a pair of bollocks and stopped unemployment
> benefit (or whatever its called this week) to able bodied people who are
> eligable for work but still out of work after a certain length of time or ones
> who get through multiple permanent jobs offered a year it would have got the
> workshy off their fat arses and into the cabbage picking jobs that the
> bulgarians did.
>
>>> The BoE notes are printed in England. Perhaps scottish banks prefer it to
>>> be done elsewhere, who knows.
>>>
>>
>> De La Rue, Debden, Essex
>
> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
> which IIRC without googling is in wales.

Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
that was in England, were you?

Sam

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On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>
>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>> hierarchy.
>
>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>> folder.
>>
>> What works better for you?
>
> "None of the above", but that's not an option.

Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
--
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This account not read.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:45 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>
>>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.
>
>Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
>even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
>tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat halfwit.
>Supermarkets are usually ok.
>
Have you checked the tick list to see which groups you have still to
insult?

On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
<ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa for Russia
>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>
>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use your
>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or different
>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>
>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>
>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>
>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>
>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>
>Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>
Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>Sam

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>
>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>
>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>
>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>

That's how I find a lot of the apps I use regularly.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Am 27.01.2023 um 17:53 schrieb Roland Perry:
> In message <tr0uv3$1p46h$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:43:15 on Fri, 27 Jan
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa for
>>>>>>> Russia
>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>  phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>> different  foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>
>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>
>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>
>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>
> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
> hierarchy.
>
> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps folder.

If you're talking Android, the link on the various start screens is
*just a link*, i.e. you can put Google Maps both into the Google Folder
and into the Maps folder if you wish. Due to its prominence, I've got
Google Maps directly on my 'mobility' start screen, next to the folders
'Car', 'Transport' and 'Outdoors'.

> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".

There is a setting whether or not new app should put a link onto the
home page.

Rolf

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>
>Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>that was in England, were you?

No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension issues.

On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 19:13:26 +0000
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:45 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>wrote:
>>>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>>
>>>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>>>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>>>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.
>>
>>Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
>>even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
>>tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat halfwit.
>>Supermarkets are usually ok.
>>
>Have you checked the tick list to see which groups you have still to
>insult?

Woke twats like you?

I would have thought basic understanding of UK currency might be core training
before someone works in retail but clearly thats beyond some shop owners.