On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:28:30 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 00:17:00 +0000
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:47:44 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 19:13:26 +0000
>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:18:45 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 19:01:10 +0000
>>>>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:15:36 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>Apart from all the obvious similarities. They even both print their own
>>>>>>>comedy banknotes pegged to stirling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scottish banknotes are issued by the banks not by the Scottish
>>>>>>Government. How is e.g. a Jersey banknote "comedy" when a BoE note is
>>>>>>not ? They both have the same monarchs on them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck trying to spend a jersey banknote outside of jersey. In fact
>>>>>even trying to spend scottish banknotes in the south of england can be
>>>>>tricky especially in smaller shops staffed by some just-off-the-boat
>>halfwit.
>>>>>Supermarkets are usually ok.
>>>>>
>>>>Have you checked the tick list to see which groups you have still to
>>>>insult?
>>>
>>>Woke twats like you?
>>>
>>>I would have thought basic understanding of UK currency might be core training
>>
>>>before someone works in retail but clearly thats beyond some shop owners.
>>>
>>Core training that seems in your case to have missed that the UK
>>consists of more than England (but FTAOD not Jersey).
>
>Perhaps go back and read what I wrote then get back to me. Or are you suggesting
>that scottish notes *shouldn't* be accepted in england?
>
I see things like "woke twats". Maybe you aren't acceptable in
England?

On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
<charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>
>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.â€? but
>>> when
>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>
>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>
>>>> Naughty me.
>>>
>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>
>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>> virtually interchangable too.
>>
> People in Europe are better educated than you think.

As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".

* strictly "Țara Galilor", but I fear the ț might get mangled.

On 31.01.23 21:20, Clank wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
> <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.â€? but
>>>> when
>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>
>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>
>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>
> As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
> Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>
> * strictly "Țara Galilor", but I fear the ț might get mangled.

At the time the Romans were knocking about neither the English nor the
French as either a people or a language existed in the places they are
now associated with. What is now England and France were both inhabited
by celtic people who the Romans called Brittons and Gauls, but naturally
had their own names for themselves. After the Romans left, the Franks, a
Germanic group, moved east from where they originated (as evidenced by
place names like Frankfurt and Franconia) to establish France, and the
Angles, Saxons and Jutes to England. The remainder of the original
populations were restricted to Wales, Cornwall and Britony. The Franks
mingled their language with vulgar latin to from French while the Anglo
Saxons largely ignored both Latin and the Brithonyc language, and stuck
to their dialect of low west Germanic.

Robin

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:20:42 -0000 (UTC), Clank
<clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
><charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You werenâ??t thinking that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you previously wrote â??The BoE notes are printed in England.â?? but
>>>> when
>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>
>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>
>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>
>As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
>Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>
>* strictly "?ara Galilor", but I fear the ? might get mangled.
>
"Pays de Galles" in French.

Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
> <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.â€? but
>>>> when
>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>
>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>
>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>
> As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
> Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>
>
>
> * strictly "Țara Galilor", but I fear the ț might get mangled.
>

Pays de Galles in French.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>
>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but
>> when
>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>
>>> Naughty me.
>>
>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>
> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
> virtually interchangable too.

So most of the world gets it wrong and the English don’t notice either.
SOP.

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <6mnhthhhqrsauchfp7r1jdjdp0rpj0llqp@4ax.com>, at 09:29:56 on
> Tue, 31 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:43:19 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>>>> with me right now to try on android.
>>>
>>> I've tried on two here. Zilch.
>>
>> How on earth do you do an internet search on your phone? On my home
>> screen there's a Google search box. I type, or begin to type, a search
>> term into it and get results, whether they're apps or internet
>> results.
>
> I do the above[1], but it never returns any results which are apps
> installed on my phone, …

You’ve got a crap phone, or one that recognises it’s in Ely and
deliberately restricts its own functionality.

Sam

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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>
>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but
>>> when
>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>
>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>
>>>> Naughty me.
>>>
>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>
>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>> virtually interchangable too.
>
> So most of the world gets it wrong and the English don’t notice either.
> SOP.

I do notice, and make sure always to use the right terms myself, but have
pretty much given up trying to explain the complicated UK to foreigners,
let alone things like the CTA.

The relationships between NI, GB and Ireland are also hard to explain. And
how many Brits, including some here, still refer to the RoI as 'Southern
Ireland', even though it extends further north than NI?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:20:42 -0000 (UTC), Clank
<clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
><charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You werenâ??t thinking that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you previously wrote â??The BoE notes are printed in England.â?? but
>>>> when
>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>
>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>
>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>
>As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
>Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>
>
>
>* strictly "?ara Galilor", but I fear the ? might get mangled.

<g> T'bird handled it... Forte Agent did not.

Wouldn't *Tsara* be acceptable?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:44:51 +0000
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>
>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking
>that
>>>
>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.�? but
>>>when
>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>
>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with
>britain.
>>>
>>>> Naughty me.
>>>
>>>Yep, basic memory issues.
>>
>>Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>virtually interchangable too.
>>
>People in Europe are better educated than you think.

Because "Les anglais" obviously includes scots, welsh and northern irish
doesn't it.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 21:30:51 +0100
Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>place names like Frankfurt and Franconia) to establish France, and the
>Angles, Saxons and Jutes to England. The remainder of the original
>populations were restricted to Wales, Cornwall and Britony. The Franks

The story about the anglo saxons ethnic cleansing local populations and
pushing them to the margins is a convenient myth for various nationalists.
Many DNA surveys have shown that most people in england have majority celtic
blood in them. Its faily clear the saxons just like the normans invaded, took
over and interbred with the locals. They didn't kill them all or turn them
into refugees.

>Saxons largely ignored both Latin and the Brithonyc language, and stuck
>to their dialect of low west Germanic.

The normans almost managed the same with french though in the end it combined
with anglo saxon to create English.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 22:48:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> So most of the world gets it wrong and the English don’t notice either.
>> SOP.
>
>I do notice, and make sure always to use the right terms myself, but have
>pretty much given up trying to explain the complicated UK to foreigners,
>let alone things like the CTA.
>
>The relationships between NI, GB and Ireland are also hard to explain. And
>how many Brits, including some here, still refer to the RoI as 'Southern
>Ireland', even though it extends further north than NI?

So what? A large part of northern england is further north than southern
scotland but england is still considered south of scotland.

On 31/01/2023 22:43, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <6mnhthhhqrsauchfp7r1jdjdp0rpj0llqp@4ax.com>, at 09:29:56 on
>> Tue, 31 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:43:19 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>> 2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>>>>> with me right now to try on android.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried on two here. Zilch.
>>>
>>> How on earth do you do an internet search on your phone? On my home
>>> screen there's a Google search box. I type, or begin to type, a search
>>> term into it and get results, whether they're apps or internet
>>> results.
>>
>> I do the above[1], but it never returns any results which are apps
>> installed on my phone, …
>
> You’ve got a crap phone, or one that recognises it’s in Ely and
> deliberately restricts its own functionality.
>

Is that what they mean by geofencing?

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On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:29:56 +0000
>Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:43:19 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <tr92ca$3d25i$2@dont-email.me>, at 18:30:34 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>On iPhone it's "swipe down on the home screen". I don't have my work phone
>>>>with me right now to try on android.
>>>
>>>I've tried on two here. Zilch.
>>
>>How on earth do you do an internet search on your phone? On my home
>>screen there's a Google search box. I type, or begin to type, a search
>>term into it and get results, whether they're apps or internet
>>results.
>>
>>Let me guess - you fire up the browser and search from there,
>>restricting the results to the web.
>
>How can anyone have so many apps on their phone that they need to do a text
>search for them??

I don't - it's quicker. The search box is on the home screen of my
OnePlus. I type, for instance, gr and immediately an icon to the
Greater Anglia app appears. It's below a small number of lines of web
results but much more prominent as it's the app icon. Much quicker
than swipe left, click my TOCs group to expand it then click the GA
app.

But now I'm just more used to the search method, not only on my phone
but also on my PC. What I used to think of as an annoying Apple quirk
I now find the fastest way of finding what I want - apps, documents,
or on the web.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but
>>>> when
>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>
>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>
>> So most of the world gets it wrong and the English don’t notice either.
>> SOP.
>
> I do notice, and make sure always to use the right terms myself, but have
> pretty much given up trying to explain the complicated UK to foreigners,
> let alone things like the CTA.

I’m aware that many, even most, residents of England know the difference
between England and the UK; it’s the attitude that Muttley exemplifies that
really shouldn’t be left unchallenged.

> The relationships between NI, GB and Ireland are also hard to explain. And
> how many Brits, including some here, still refer to the RoI as 'Southern
> Ireland', even though it extends further north than NI?

Thinking in terms of centroids or centres of mass works for me!

Sam

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Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:20:42 -0000 (UTC), Clank
> <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
>> <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You werenâ??t thinking that
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you previously wrote â??The BoE notes are printed in England.â?? but
>>>>> when
>>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>>
>>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>>
>> As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
>> Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>>
>>
>>
>> * strictly "?ara Galilor", but I fear the ? might get mangled.
>
> <g> T'bird handled it... Forte Agent did not.
>
> Wouldn't *Tsara* be acceptable?

As viewed here (iPad, NewsTapLite) Clank’s original message had
T-with-a-tail but the quotation above has question marks.

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On 01.02.23 10:17, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 21:30:51 +0100
> Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>> place names like Frankfurt and Franconia) to establish France, and the
>> Angles, Saxons and Jutes to England. The remainder of the original
>> populations were restricted to Wales, Cornwall and Britony. The Franks
>
> The story about the anglo saxons ethnic cleansing local populations and
> pushing them to the margins is a convenient myth for various nationalists.
> Many DNA surveys have shown that most people in england have majority celtic
> blood in them. Its faily clear the saxons just like the normans invaded, took
> over and interbred with the locals. They didn't kill them all or turn them
> into refugees.

Perhaps a better way to put it was that in what became England the Anglo
Saxons were economically, culturally and politically dominant, so the
Brittons who remained there adopted the language and culture, while in
Wales and Cornwall, at the time, this did not happen.

>> Saxons largely ignored both Latin and the Brithonyc language, and stuck
>> to their dialect of low west Germanic.
>
> The normans almost managed the same with french though in the end it combined
> with anglo saxon to create English.

There are two main factors that led to the survival and resurgance of
English. One is that the Norman dialect of French was not the prestige
Parisian dialect, so although the nobility initially spoke "French", it
was not the prestige form of the language. The other aspect is that as
is often the case with the higher echelons of society, the duties of
childcare were handed off to hired help, who tended to be English
speaking, so the subsequent generations were often brought up with
English as their first language, Norman French second, and then had to
learn "proper" French if they wanted to be respecable. In this
environment, the Norman French was squeezed out, and (by then Middle)
English came to dominate.

Robin

On 1 Feb 2023 at 1:56:17 AM EET, "Nobody" <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:20:42 -0000 (UTC), Clank
> <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Jan 2023 at 9:44:51 PM EET, "Charles Ellson"
>> <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 09:26:55 -0000 (UTC), <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:37:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>>>>>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You werenâ??t thinking that
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that was in England, were you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you previously wrote â??The BoE notes are printed in England.â?? but
>>>>> when
>>>>>>> you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>>>>>>> which is in Wales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to be having basic memory issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Naughty me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, basic memory issues.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. Plenty of people do it. In europe and the USA england and UK are
>>>> virtually interchangable too.
>>>>
>>> People in Europe are better educated than you think.
>>
>> As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
>> Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>>
>>
>>
>> * strictly "?ara Galilor", but I fear the ? might get mangled.
>
> <g> T'bird handled it... Forte Agent did not.
>
> Wouldn't *Tsara* be acceptable?

In general, 'domestically' if the diacritics aren't available, they're either
replaced with something similar (some fonts don't have a comma diacritic but
do have cedilla, so that gets used instead), or dropped entirely - if you know
the words you know what 'should' be there. Only really causes a problem with
people's names, where it can lead to pronunciation problems.

But yes, ts does crop up sometimes in attempts to write phonetically for
western consumption - particularly again in things like people's names.

In general using the simple latin letters as a straight substitution doesn't
affect much other than making the language less strictly phonetic - although
some changes can affect meaning; the difference between ă/a on the end of the
word can changer the article of a sentence (the version of the noun without
the macron on the end being the definite article.)

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr9aet$3eg1n$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:29 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>> Pressing that brings up a screen of apps in alphabetical order. At the
>> top of that screen is a search box).
>
> To get a list of apps, I can press: Settings.. General... Apps.. but
> there's no 'search' and Voi is at the bottom of a very long list
> (mindful that I would want to be searching for something with electric
> scooter functionality, not some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
> marketing person).
>

Aren't the majority of business names "some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
marketing person", or someone's (equally irrelevant to the product) name?

Examples perhaps being Amstrad, Demon and Virgin.

If every business name had to be relevant to the product, you'd perhaps end
up with a rather communist "Supermarket number 3" "Internet provider number
5" kind of system?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr8tl5$3c7h7$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:09:57 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>>>>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
>>>>> Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>>>>
>>>>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>>>>> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>>>>
>>>> The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be set
>>>> up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
>>>> I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
>>>> phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
>>>> (this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
>>>> in standard Android)
>>>> 1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
>>>> 2) use search box at bottom of screen
>>>
>>> That latter is exactly how it works for me - Fairphone 3 which I assume is
>>> a pretty standard Android - except that after swiping up the search box is
>>> at the top of the screen and says “[magnifier] Search apps”.
>>
>> One of the reasons I stopped publishing "how to" guides regarding things
>> like setting privacy options, was that Android is about as far from
>> standard as one could imagine (and iPhone wasn't a lot better). And
>> other people's guides always assumed that their way, was the only way.
>
> Fair enough, but it’s notable that no one else here has said “my Android
> phone is like Roland’s and has no way to search for an app”. Anyone?
>
> Sam
>

I don't have my android phone with me right now to check, and it has few
enough apps on it that I've never needed to search for one. When I have
opportunity, I will check.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> wrote:
>.
>
> As an aside, I thought it was rather charming when I discovered that Wales in
> Romanian is "Tara Galilor"*, or literally "land of the Gauls".
>
>
>
> * strictly "Țara Galilor", but I fear the ț might get mangled.
>

Not so different from "Pays de Galles" in French, I think?

Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 01/02/2023 10:49, Bob wrote:
> On 01.02.23 10:17, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 21:30:51 +0100
>> Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>> place names like Frankfurt and Franconia) to establish France, and the
>>> Angles, Saxons and Jutes to England. The remainder of the original
>>> populations were restricted to Wales, Cornwall and Britony. The Franks
>>
>> The story about the anglo saxons ethnic cleansing local populations and
>> pushing them to the margins is a convenient myth for various
>> nationalists.
>> Many DNA surveys have shown that most people in england have majority
>> celtic
>> blood in them. Its faily clear the saxons just like the normans
>> invaded, took
>> over and interbred with the locals. They didn't kill them all or turn
>> them
>> into refugees.
>
> Perhaps a better way to put it was that in what became England the Anglo
> Saxons were economically, culturally and politically dominant, so the
> Brittons who remained there adopted the language and culture, while in
> Wales and Cornwall, at the time, this did not happen.

There's an interesting book called The Tribes of Britain which goes into
this. It's a bit out of date as it came out before the widespread use of
DNA analysis to study population movements, but is broadly accurate. One
of the points it makes it is that invaders tended to displace the ruling
hierarchy, who retreated generally westwards, but the bulk of the
population stayed put and just adapted to the new masters. After all it
made little difference to the average peasant who the occupant of the
local manor house was. Thus the so-called Celtic Fringe is a more or
less a fantasy.

--
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On 01/02/2023 11:13, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr9aet$3eg1n$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:29 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>> Pressing that brings up a screen of apps in alphabetical order. At the
>>> top of that screen is a search box).
>>
>> To get a list of apps, I can press: Settings.. General... Apps.. but
>> there's no 'search' and Voi is at the bottom of a very long list
>> (mindful that I would want to be searching for something with electric
>> scooter functionality, not some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
>> marketing person).
>>
>
> Aren't the majority of business names "some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
> marketing person", or someone's (equally irrelevant to the product) name?
>
> Examples perhaps being Amstrad, Demon and Virgin.

Amstrad being a bad example, as Roland will no doubt point out.

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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr9aet$3eg1n$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:29 on Mon, 30 Jan
>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>> Pressing that brings up a screen of apps in alphabetical order. At the
>>> top of that screen is a search box).
>>
>> To get a list of apps, I can press: Settings.. General... Apps.. but
>> there's no 'search' and Voi is at the bottom of a very long list
>> (mindful that I would want to be searching for something with electric
>> scooter functionality, not some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
>> marketing person).
>>
>
> Aren't the majority of business names "some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
> marketing person", or someone's (equally irrelevant to the product) name?
>
> Examples perhaps being Amstrad, Demon and Virgin.
>
> If every business name had to be relevant to the product, you'd perhaps end
> up with a rather communist "Supermarket number 3" "Internet provider number
> 5" kind of system?

I remember being at a presentation of DEC’s then-new Alpha AXP RISC
processor. The presenter said something like, “What does AXP stand for?
Nothing. It’s just a group of letters that aren’t used by anyone else so
that we can generate a unique name for the device.”

Sam

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On 1 Feb 2023 at 1:29:21 PM EET, "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 01/02/2023 11:13, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr9aet$3eg1n$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:48:29 on Mon, 30 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>> Pressing that brings up a screen of apps in alphabetical order. At the
>>>> top of that screen is a search box).
>>>
>>> To get a list of apps, I can press: Settings.. General... Apps.. but
>>> there's no 'search' and Voi is at the bottom of a very long list
>>> (mindful that I would want to be searching for something with electric
>>> scooter functionality, not some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
>>> marketing person).
>>>
>>
>> Aren't the majority of business names "some irrelevant name dreamed up by a
>> marketing person", or someone's (equally irrelevant to the product) name?
>>
>> Examples perhaps being Amstrad, Demon and Virgin.
>
> Amstrad being a bad example, as Roland will no doubt point out.

Amstrad was a bad example of more or less everything... One of our jobs after
BSkyB finally bought them ought and fired AMS was to reverse, in their set-top
production, all the terrible cheap-component penny-pinching which made Amstrad
famous in the first place. For a few pence extra in the BoM for the products,
the savings in sending engineers out to replace the wretched things when they
inevitably failed more than paid for itself.