On 23/03/2022 18:33, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 21/03/2022 14:09, ColinR wrote:
>> On 21/03/2022 11:39, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2022 13:50, NY wrote:
>>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:HXZUD0tDjINiFALh@perry.uk...
>>>>> In message <t11odc$p0m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:54:23 on Fri, 18 Mar
>>>>> 2022, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a significant difference in price between car ferries and
>>>>>> Eurotunnel which gives ferries an advantage? I wonder if there are
>>>>>> any routes where it is quicker to drive to the UK ferry port and
>>>>>> have a long ferry journey, compared with driving from the other
>>>>>> end of the country to Ashford to get Eurotunnel, and then drive to
>>>>>> the European port that the ferry would have gone to - assuming
>>>>>> that this European port was actually well placed for the onward
>>>>>> car journey and was not *more* out of the way than Sangatte.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are starting in Mid Essex and are heading for Amsterdam,
>>>>> it's probably just as quick, and a great deal more convenient, to
>>>>> take a ferry from Harwich to Hook of Holland, than try driving to
>>>>> Kent, Eurotunnel, then another almost 400km by road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doubly so, if you can schedule the travel overnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ferries from Hull, which I've seen mentioned, are likely a more
>>>>> extreme example of the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> It's a shame that a lot of the North Sea ferries from Hull and
>>>> Newcastle (eg DFDS) no longer operate so you have to drive down
>>>> south to get a ferry.
>>>
>>> It's also a shame that the Nörrona no longer calls at Scrabster.
>>
>> Or Lerwick!
>>
>
> What was the reason for ending that ship's port of calls in the UK?
>
> Does the Nörrona at least on occasion pop into a UK port, they way it
> does at Bergen?

It was said to be uneconomic. I have no idea how true this was.

To the best of my knowledge she no longer calls in the UK.

--
Colin

On 23/03/2022 21:11, ColinR wrote:
> On 23/03/2022 18:33, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> On 21/03/2022 14:09, ColinR wrote:
>>> On 21/03/2022 11:39, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2022 13:50, NY wrote:
>>>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:HXZUD0tDjINiFALh@perry.uk...
>>>>>> In message <t11odc$p0m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:54:23 on Fri, 18
>>>>>> Mar 2022, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a significant difference in price between car ferries
>>>>>>> and Eurotunnel which gives ferries an advantage? I wonder if
>>>>>>> there are any routes where it is quicker to drive to the UK ferry
>>>>>>> port and have a long ferry journey, compared with driving from
>>>>>>> the other end of the country to Ashford to get Eurotunnel, and
>>>>>>> then drive to the European port that the ferry would have gone to
>>>>>>> - assuming that this European port was actually well placed for
>>>>>>> the onward car journey and was not *more* out of the way than
>>>>>>> Sangatte.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are starting in Mid Essex and are heading for Amsterdam,
>>>>>> it's probably just as quick, and a great deal more convenient, to
>>>>>> take a ferry from Harwich to Hook of Holland, than try driving to
>>>>>> Kent, Eurotunnel, then another almost 400km by road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doubly so, if you can schedule the travel overnight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ferries from Hull, which I've seen mentioned, are likely a more
>>>>>> extreme example of the same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a shame that a lot of the North Sea ferries from Hull and
>>>>> Newcastle (eg DFDS) no longer operate so you have to drive down
>>>>> south to get a ferry.
>>>>
>>>> It's also a shame that the Nörrona no longer calls at Scrabster.
>>>
>>> Or Lerwick!
>>>
>>
>> What was the reason for ending that ship's port of calls in the UK?
>>
>> Does the Nörrona at least on occasion pop into a UK port, they way it
>> does at Bergen?
>
> It was said to be uneconomic. I have no idea how true this was.
>
> To the best of my knowledge she no longer calls in the UK.

Not even once every now and again to say hello?

On 23/03/2022 21:19, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 23/03/2022 21:11, ColinR wrote:
>> On 23/03/2022 18:33, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 21/03/2022 14:09, ColinR wrote:
>>>> On 21/03/2022 11:39, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 18/03/2022 13:50, NY wrote:
>>>>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:HXZUD0tDjINiFALh@perry.uk...
>>>>>>> In message <t11odc$p0m$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:54:23 on Fri, 18
>>>>>>> Mar 2022, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a significant difference in price between car ferries
>>>>>>>> and Eurotunnel which gives ferries an advantage? I wonder if
>>>>>>>> there are any routes where it is quicker to drive to the UK
>>>>>>>> ferry port and have a long ferry journey, compared with driving
>>>>>>>> from the other end of the country to Ashford to get Eurotunnel,
>>>>>>>> and then drive to the European port that the ferry would have
>>>>>>>> gone to - assuming that this European port was actually well
>>>>>>>> placed for the onward car journey and was not *more* out of the
>>>>>>>> way than Sangatte.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are starting in Mid Essex and are heading for Amsterdam,
>>>>>>> it's probably just as quick, and a great deal more convenient, to
>>>>>>> take a ferry from Harwich to Hook of Holland, than try driving to
>>>>>>> Kent, Eurotunnel, then another almost 400km by road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doubly so, if you can schedule the travel overnight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ferries from Hull, which I've seen mentioned, are likely a more
>>>>>>> extreme example of the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a shame that a lot of the North Sea ferries from Hull and
>>>>>> Newcastle (eg DFDS) no longer operate so you have to drive down
>>>>>> south to get a ferry.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also a shame that the Nörrona no longer calls at Scrabster.
>>>>
>>>> Or Lerwick!
>>>>
>>>
>>> What was the reason for ending that ship's port of calls in the UK?
>>>
>>> Does the Nörrona at least on occasion pop into a UK port, they way it
>>> does at Bergen?
>>
>> It was said to be uneconomic. I have no idea how true this was.
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge she no longer calls in the UK.
>
> Not even once every now and again to say hello?

Not yet -
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2021/03/12/news-round-up-no-norrona-update-brexit-cash-for-port-cullivoe-fundraiser-cycling-grant-babcock-sells-to-chc/
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2018/10/18/renewed-call-for-norrona-to-return-to-isles/
https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2021/02/11/smyril-flagship-gets-13-million-euros-refit-due-to-passengers-demands
https://local.fo/norrona-to-reconnect-shetland-and-the-faroe-islands/

--
Colin

On 18/03/2022 16:35, Roland Perry wrote:
> Yes, I've been on numerous car ferries (but perhaps only one from Dover)
> and they do try to pack the cars in like sardines. Their scarce resource
> is cleanly square metres of footprint (not a limit on pax numbers, or
> vehicle weights), and iirc they charge different amounts depending on
> the length of vehicle.

Each vessel is licensed for a certain number of vehicles and a certain
number of passengers. I was once working on Lewis, one of the company
vans had brought some stuff over and was going back on the Saturday
morning ferry. One of my colleagues was going back to the mainland for
the day so got a lift. The van driver re-appeared shortly afterwards
which puzzled me because he had a booking. It was around Easter so a
lot more foot passengers than usual, they had been loading the cars and
foot passengers had walked on board whilst their husband, father etc was
loading the car. Calmac then realised they had too many cars so started
unloading the but many of the passengers were on board so they had to
find them and reunite with their cars!

Unloading and loading is always entertaining! One day there was an EOD
vehicle so they had to unload some cars because of a limitation on
numbers when carrying explosives!

Another time the ferry was full so got a lift with the Range Rover on
the back of a car transporter that was going across.

.....

On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
> lengths.

Will they have access to that information?

In message <t1nh0k$d2c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:03:18 on Sat, 26 Mar
2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:

>On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:

>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>> lengths.
>
>Will they have access to that information?

Anyone can look up a vehicle's make and model at DVLA, although to do it
at scale is probably more effective if they use a broker.

Have you never seen the garage trade look your numberplate to see
exactly what tyres, battery, or other spares, are appropriate for your
vehicle?

They get it wrong sometimes, by using a broker who caches the data and
it's gone stale. I'm certain I told the story very recently here about
the replacement windscreen which didn't match my personal plate car,
because I'd swapped the plate to a different vehicle some months
earlier.
--
Roland Perry

MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>> lengths.
>
> Will they have access to that information?
>
>

Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>> lengths.
>>
>> Will they have access to that information?
>>
>>
>
> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.

Strangely CalMac’s online booking pages don’t - you have to separately
input you registration and the make and model of your vehicle. This is
different from insurance companies and possibly (I don’t remember exactly)
other ferry companies.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
<anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:

>MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>> lengths.
>>
>> Will they have access to that information?
>>
>>
>
>Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>
The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
make.

Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>
>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>> lengths.
>>>
>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>
> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
> make.
>

The MOT information set up by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at first.
The MOT status check page as you say only gives make not model.
However if you use the other check available MOT history it does.

Between the two you can get make ,number of axles and colour so you can
get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.

GH

In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>> lengths.
>>>>
>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>
>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>
>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>> make.
>
>The MOT information set up by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at first.
>The MOT status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>However if you use the other check available MOT history it does.
>
>Between the two you can get make ,number of axles and colour so you can
>get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.

And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is what
it says:

Model Variant FREELANDER GS TD4 A
Primary Colour Blue
Fuel Type Diesel
Engine 2179 cc
Year Of Manufacture 2008
Euro Status EURO 4
Vehicle Age 13 Years 6 Months
Registration Date 30/09/2008
Type Approval M1
Wheel Plan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY

--
Roland Perry

On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA from
>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>
>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>
>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>> make.
>>
>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>> first.
>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>
>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so you
>> can
>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>
> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is what
> it says:
>
> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
> Primary Colour          Blue
> Fuel Type               Diesel
> Engine                  2179 cc
> Year Of Manufacture     2008
> Euro Status             EURO 4
> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
> Registration Date       30/09/2008
> Type Approval           M1
> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>

However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
to yours, but no length.

--
Colin

On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>
>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>> make.
>>>
>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>> first.
>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>
>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>> you can
>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>
>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>> what it says:
>>
>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>> Primary Colour          Blue
>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>> Engine                  2179 cc
>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>> Type Approval           M1
>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>
>
> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
> to yours, but no length.

I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
to get the dimensions. For example,
<https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-td4-gs-5d/specs/>
(That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
the relevant entry.)

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:59:39 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
>> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>>> make.
>>>>
>>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>>> first.
>>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>>
>>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>>> you can
>>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>>
>>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>>> what it says:
>>>
>>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>>> Primary Colour          Blue
>>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>>> Engine                  2179 cc
>>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>>> Type Approval           M1
>>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>>
>>
>> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
>> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
>> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
>> to yours, but no length.
>
>I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
>to get the dimensions. For example,
><https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-td4-gs-5d/specs/>
>(That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
>sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
>same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
>the relevant entry.)
>
Cutting and pasting the "Model Variant" seems to be sufficient to
identify the particular details, Google leading to a page on
parker.co.uk while ferry companies would presumably have a more
stripped-down database with only the necessary details. The only
spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight alteration to
length that might result from having a towing ball/hook fitted to a
vehicle (roof racks generally seem to be the driver's responsibility
to compare with ferry company's general limits).

In message <hqub4h9o3li51abtgfl36oitg8hqp6kdg4@4ax.com>, at 20:14:13 on
Thu, 31 Mar 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:59:39 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
>>> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>>>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>>>> make.
>>>>>
>>>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>>>> first.
>>>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>>>> you can
>>>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>>>
>>>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>>>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>>>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>>>> what it says:
>>>>
>>>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>>>> Primary Colour          Blue
>>>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>>>> Engine                  2179 cc
>>>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>>>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>>>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>>>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>>>> Type Approval           M1
>>>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>>
>>> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
>>> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
>>> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
>>> to yours, but no length.
>>
>>I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
>>to get the dimensions. For example,
>><https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-
>>td4-gs-5d/specs/>

>>(That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
>>sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
>>same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
>>the relevant entry.)
>>
>Cutting and pasting the "Model Variant" seems to be sufficient to
>identify the particular details, Google leading to a page on
>parker.co.uk while ferry companies would presumably have a more
>stripped-down database with only the necessary details.

Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.

>The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>fitted to a vehicle

I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.

> (roof racks generally seem to be the driver's responsibility to
>compare with ferry company's general limits).

<Thread convergence> And for avoiding bridge bashes.

My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
and add it to the basic height.

They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
"Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
couple of times.

<http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <hqub4h9o3li51abtgfl36oitg8hqp6kdg4@4ax.com>, at 20:14:13 on
> Thu, 31 Mar 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
> remarked:
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:59:39 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>>>>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>>>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>>>>
>>>>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>>>>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>>>>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>>>>> what it says:
>>>>>
>>>>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>>>>> Primary Colour          Blue
>>>>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>>>>> Engine                  2179 cc
>>>>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>>>>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>>>>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>>>>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>>>>> Type Approval           M1
>>>>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>>>
>>>> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
>>>> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
>>>> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
>>>> to yours, but no length.
>>>
>>> I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
>>> to get the dimensions. For example,
>>> <https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-
>>> td4-gs-5d/specs/>
>
>>> (That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
>>> sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
>>> same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
>>> the relevant entry.)
>>>
>> Cutting and pasting the "Model Variant" seems to be sufficient to
>> identify the particular details, Google leading to a page on
>> parker.co.uk while ferry companies would presumably have a more
>> stripped-down database with only the necessary details.
>
> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>
>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>> fitted to a vehicle
>
> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>
>> (roof racks generally seem to be the driver's responsibility to
>> compare with ferry company's general limits).
>
> <Thread convergence> And for avoiding bridge bashes.
>
> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
> and add it to the basic height.
>
> They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
> "Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
> couple of times.
>
> <http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
> ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>

Have you seen the new Defender yet? It really is enormous, and very high.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:48:10 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <hqub4h9o3li51abtgfl36oitg8hqp6kdg4@4ax.com>, at 20:14:13 on
>> Thu, 31 Mar 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
>> remarked:
>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:59:39 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>>>>>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>>>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>>>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>>>>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>>>>>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>>>>>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>>>>>> what it says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>>>>>> Primary Colour          Blue
>>>>>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>>>>>> Engine                  2179 cc
>>>>>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>>>>>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>>>>>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>>>>>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>>>>>> Type Approval           M1
>>>>>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>>>>
>>>>> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
>>>>> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
>>>>> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
>>>>> to yours, but no length.
>>>>
>>>> I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
>>>> to get the dimensions. For example,
>>>> <https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-
>>>> td4-gs-5d/specs/>
>>
>>>> (That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
>>>> sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
>>>> same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
>>>> the relevant entry.)
>>>>
>>> Cutting and pasting the "Model Variant" seems to be sufficient to
>>> identify the particular details, Google leading to a page on
>>> parker.co.uk while ferry companies would presumably have a more
>>> stripped-down database with only the necessary details.
>>
>> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
>> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
>> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
>> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>>
>>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>>> fitted to a vehicle
>>
>> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>>
I would expect they get lost in a general allowance for the
uncertainty of the gaps between vehicles and other odd protrusions
like e.g. the occasional rear-mounted spare wheels which appear to
overhang beyond bumpers.
>>> (roof racks generally seem to be the driver's responsibility to
>>> compare with ferry company's general limits).
>>
>> <Thread convergence> And for avoiding bridge bashes.
>>
>> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
>> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
>> and add it to the basic height.
>>
Roof-mounted stuff will be another random factor, not inevitably being
original equipment. "Maximum heights can vary by ferry operator, from
4m up to 5.2m." on Freightlink's web site suggests that it probably
isn't something to worry about for most non-goods vehicles unless e.g.
a deck is designed specifically for cars and vehicles of similar
height.

>> They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
>> "Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
>> couple of times.
>>
>> <http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
>> ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>
>
>Have you seen the new Defender yet? It really is enormous, and very high.

On 02/04/2022 12:08, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 09:48:10 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <hqub4h9o3li51abtgfl36oitg8hqp6kdg4@4ax.com>, at 20:14:13 on
>>> Thu, 31 Mar 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
>>> remarked:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:59:39 +0100, Certes <none@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/03/2022 14:39, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/03/2022 19:07, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <jaehm2F6v2dU1@mid.individual.net>, at 19:47:14 on Mon, 28
>>>>>>> Mar 2022, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:36:17 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>>>>>>>> <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2022 17:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would expect the ferry company to look up vehicles at the DVLA
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> their number plate, and then correlate that with a list of vehicle
>>>>>>>>>>>> lengths.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will they have access to that information?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone can get vehicle make/model from the number plate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The DVLA tax check gives you maker, colour and basic model only; it
>>>>>>>>> doesn't give you the particular body type (e.g. saloon v. estate). The
>>>>>>>>> MOT check page for my vehicle doesn't even mention the model, just the
>>>>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The MOT  information set up  by the DVLA isn’t that user friendly at
>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>> The MOT  status check page as you say only gives make not model.
>>>>>>>> However if you use the other check available  MOT history it does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between the two you can get  make ,number of axles  and colour  so
>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>> get a pretty good idea what you are dealing with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And there's a fundamental error being made earlier, that the only
>>>>>>> platform for making enquiries on the DVLA is their public facing web
>>>>>>> pages. I just looked up my own car on a different site and this is
>>>>>>> what it says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Model Variant           FREELANDER GS TD4 A
>>>>>>> Primary Colour          Blue
>>>>>>> Fuel Type               Diesel
>>>>>>> Engine                  2179 cc
>>>>>>> Year Of Manufacture     2008
>>>>>>> Euro Status             EURO 4
>>>>>>> Vehicle Age             13 Years 6 Months
>>>>>>> Registration Date       30/09/2008
>>>>>>> Type Approval           M1
>>>>>>> Wheel Plan              2 AXLE RIGID BODY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, going back to the start of the thread, no information on
>>>>>> vehicle length (or height which is of concern on some ferries). I have
>>>>>> just looked on an app on my tablet "Know Your Car" and it similar infor
>>>>>> to yours, but no length.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect there are databases where once can look up the model and year
>>>>> to get the dimensions. For example,
>>>>> <https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/freelander/station-wagon-2006/22-
>>>>> td4-gs-5d/specs/>
>>>
>>>>> (That page may not apply to Roland's vehicle, as marketing types love to
>>>>> sell multiple models with the same name and give multiple names to the
>>>>> same model, but I'm sure someone with a clue about cars would soon find
>>>>> the relevant entry.)
>>>>>
>>>> Cutting and pasting the "Model Variant" seems to be sufficient to
>>>> identify the particular details, Google leading to a page on
>>>> parker.co.uk while ferry companies would presumably have a more
>>>> stripped-down database with only the necessary details.
>>>
>>> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
>>> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
>>> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
>>> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>>>
>>>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>>>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>>>> fitted to a vehicle
>>>
>>> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>>>
> I would expect they get lost in a general allowance for the
> uncertainty of the gaps between vehicles and other odd protrusions
> like e.g. the occasional rear-mounted spare wheels which appear to
> overhang beyond bumpers.
>
>>>> (roof racks generally seem to be the driver's responsibility to
>>>> compare with ferry company's general limits).
>>>
>>> <Thread convergence> And for avoiding bridge bashes.
>>>
>>> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
>>> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
>>> and add it to the basic height.
>>>
> Roof-mounted stuff will be another random factor, not inevitably being
> original equipment. "Maximum heights can vary by ferry operator, from
> 4m up to 5.2m." on Freightlink's web site suggests that it probably
> isn't something to worry about for most non-goods vehicles unless e.g.
> a deck is designed specifically for cars and vehicles of similar
> height.
>

A number of passenger ferries, dependant on route and demand, have
mezzanine decks (often foldable or liftable to allow full height freight
as needed) which are height restricted. Certainly those I worked on
would have struggled with a Freelander with anything on the roof on the
upper mezzanine level. Similarly, on the Northlink ferries up here they
have a lower deck for cars only, although the height seems to be
relatively high.

--
Colin

In message <t2964q$srh$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:10 on Sat, 2 Apr 2022,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
>> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
>> and add it to the basic height.
>>
>> They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
>> "Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
>> couple of times.
>>
>> <http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
>> ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>
>
>Have you seen the new Defender yet? It really is enormous, and very high.

Someone who must live in the vicinity has one (the first I saw, and I've
seen one other). They are big, but also a bit too "jelly mould" for my
liking. I see they are 1.974 high (just get into a 2m car park then).

About the same length, but narrower, than a Freelander 2.

--
Roland Perry

In message <6pag4h1r7nfb5s8gake6ldvg8b34ekfams@4ax.com>, at 12:08:41 on
Sat, 2 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:

>>> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
>>> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
>>> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
>>> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>>>
>>>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>>>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>>>> fitted to a vehicle
>>>
>>> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>>>
>I would expect they get lost in a general allowance for the
>uncertainty of the gaps between vehicles and other odd protrusions
>like e.g. the occasional rear-mounted spare wheels which appear to
>overhang beyond bumpers.

Yes, after I posted above it occurred to me there might be some models
of vehicle which have an optional rear-mounted spare. Early Porsche
Cayenne shows up in a quick search.

The other thing people put on the back is bike-racks.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 13:18:57 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <t2964q$srh$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:10 on Sat, 2 Apr 2022,
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
>>> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
>>> and add it to the basic height.
>>>
>>> They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
>>> "Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
>>> couple of times.
>>>
>>> <http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
>>> ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>
>>
>>Have you seen the new Defender yet? It really is enormous, and very high.
>
>Someone who must live in the vicinity has one (the first I saw, and I've
>seen one other). They are big, but also a bit too "jelly mould" for my
>liking. I see they are 1.974 high (just get into a 2m car park then).
>
>About the same length, but narrower, than a Freelander 2.

It's much wider than the Freelander 2, and the 5-door is significantly longer.

On 02/04/2022 13:24, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <6pag4h1r7nfb5s8gake6ldvg8b34ekfams@4ax.com>, at 12:08:41 on
> Sat, 2 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
>
>>>> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
>>>> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for
>>>> any
>>>> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
>>>> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>>>>
>>>>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>>>>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>>>>> fitted to a vehicle
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>>>>
>> I would expect they get lost in a general allowance for the
>> uncertainty of the gaps between vehicles and other odd protrusions
>> like e.g. the occasional rear-mounted spare wheels which appear to
>> overhang beyond bumpers.
>
> Yes, after I posted above it occurred to me there might be some models
> of vehicle which have an optional rear-mounted spare. Early Porsche
> Cayenne shows up in a quick search.
>
> The other thing people put on the back is bike-racks.

Whilst fairly general, try https://www.automobiledimension.com

--
Colin

In message <5G+L3FYiBESiFA0P@perry.uk>, at 13:24:02 on Sat, 2 Apr 2022,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>In message <6pag4h1r7nfb5s8gake6ldvg8b34ekfams@4ax.com>, at 12:08:41 on
>Sat, 2 Apr 2022, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
>remarked:
>
>>>> Indeed, and while most vehicles, including the Freelander 2, can have
>>>> very many models (interior trim, engine size etc) it's very rare for any
>>>> of those to alter the length, any more than the multiple choices of
>>>> colour, or "facelift" different alloy wheels does.
>>>>
>>>>> The only spoiler that immediately comes to mind is the slight
>>>>> alteration to length that might result from having a towing ball/hook
>>>>> fitted to a vehicle
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall if ferries are OCD about towbars or not.
>>>>
>>I would expect they get lost in a general allowance for the
>>uncertainty of the gaps between vehicles and other odd protrusions
>>like e.g. the occasional rear-mounted spare wheels which appear to
>>overhang beyond bumpers.
>
>Yes, after I posted above it occurred to me there might be some models
>of vehicle which have an optional rear-mounted spare. Early Porsche
>Cayenne shows up in a quick search.
>
>The other thing people put on the back is bike-racks.

I can't easily find the P&O tariff, but Red Funnel (who were the most
recent I've used) have just two types of car <5.5m and <6m; and state
"must include towbar".

As it happens, I don't recall any difficulty when the hire company gave
me a car bigger than the one I'd ordered (and hence had booked for).
Which also suggests I didn't have to give the reg number when booking.

So maybe most of this subthread is at cross purposes.
--
Roland Perry

In message <ekgg4h15b5o0demkhpck8p5g3jdd675juh@4ax.com>, at 13:35:00 on
Sat, 2 Apr 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 13:18:57 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <t2964q$srh$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:48:10 on Sat, 2 Apr 2022,
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>> My Freelander has roof bars, and finding a published height with them
>>>> fitted is quite a challenge. Although I suppose one could measure them,
>>>> and add it to the basic height.
>>>>
>>>> They change the look of the vehicle a lot, making it much more
>>>> "Land-Rovery" rather than estate car. And I've actually used them a
>>>> couple of times.
>>>>
>>>> <http://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2015-11/29/f
>>>> ull/1448802784-3245.jpg?im=Resize,width=640>
>>>
>>>Have you seen the new Defender yet? It really is enormous, and very high.
>>
>>Someone who must live in the vicinity has one (the first I saw, and I've
>>seen one other). They are big, but also a bit too "jelly mould" for my
>>liking. I see they are 1.974 high (just get into a 2m car park then).
>>
>>About the same length, but narrower, than a Freelander 2.
>
>It's much wider than the Freelander 2, and the 5-door is significantly longer.

Let's try that again, then, from the sources mentioned so far:

Defender 90 4323 x 1996.
Defender 110 4758 x 1996.
Freelander 2 4500 x 2180.

Which of those is wrong?

Well, it could be Parkers, everyone else[1] appears to have the
Freelander a 1910. Three and a half inches narrower, and one and
half inches shorter than the average of the Defenders.

[1] Apart from Land Rover themselves, who say 2005 mirrors folded, 2195
mirrors out. Heigh ho, I suppose someone needs to find the Land
Rover figures for the Defender now. OK, I'll do it:

Width with mirrors folded 2008 <-- almost a dead heat
Width with mirrors out 2105 <-- Freelander three inches wider

And while we are on that page, add 260 for the Defender's spare
tyre.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 16:27:13 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <ekgg4h15b5o0demkhpck8p5g3jdd675juh@4ax.com>, at 13:35:00 on
>Sat, 2 Apr 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>It's much wider than the Freelander 2, and the 5-door is significantly longer.
>
>
>Let's try that again, then, from the sources mentioned so far:
>
>Defender 90 4323 x 1996.
>Defender 110 4758 x 1996.
>Freelander 2 4500 x 2180.
>
>Which of those is wrong?

All of them unless you're a farmer or mountain rescue. Buy a normal car instead
of a poncemobile then you won't have to worry about lengths or heights when
boarding ferries.