On 2022-04-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB
>>>>> charger wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a
>>>>> modern USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C
>>>>> lead.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I
>>>>> already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is
>>>>> not true!
>>>>
>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>
>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit
>>> that reality.
>>
>> Not so quick...
>>
>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>
>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>>> overnight while they sleep.
>>
>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>
> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?

Also, what about the electrical wiring and breaker boxes inside of his
walls? I smell DaNgEr!

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On 2022-04-06 12:47 p.m., Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2022-04-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB
>>>>>> charger wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a
>>>>>> modern USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C
>>>>>> lead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I
>>>>>> already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is
>>>>>> not true!
>>>>>
>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit
>>>> that reality.
>>>
>>> Not so quick...
>>>
>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>
>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>>>> overnight while they sleep.
>>>
>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
>>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>
>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>
> Also, what about the electrical wiring and breaker boxes inside of his
> walls? I smell DaNgEr!
>

Probably best to trip the main breaker at the panel...

On 2022-04-06 14:17, Rob wrote:

> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> whatever is required to assure your safety.

Please back that up with facts:

1) What/who/when discourages it?
2) Where is the statistical data to back this up?
3) Is it okay to crack open a beer while you watch it charge or
could you be charged with charging under the influence?

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In article <t2kr4g$vof$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
> >>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> >>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
> >>
> >> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
> >
> > Also, what about the electrical wiring and breaker boxes inside of his
> > walls? I smell DaNgEr!
> >
>
> Probably best to trip the main breaker at the panel...

what if the breaker panel catches fire? that is usually in the
basement, where a fire can spread undetected, until it's too late.

it's best to disconnect it from the source, on top of the pole outside.
that way, any potential fire is away from the home, and also up high,
away from vehicles. they contain a reservoir of highly combustible
fuel.

for those with underground cables, dig a hole, which only needs to be
done once.

On 4/6/2022 11:17 AM, Rob wrote:

<snip>

> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> whatever is required to assure your safety.

Yes, I've seen articles that proclaim that as well. But the reality is
that phones exploding or bursting into flames while charging (or while
not charging) is a pretty rare occurrence, at least it has been since
the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Macbook debacles.

If you're really worried about this then You can buy an explosion proof
bag <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VVX77CY> for charging Li-Ion batteries
for pretty cheap. Normally these are used for Li-Ion battery packs for
RC cars and airplanes, where the batteries are charged at very high
rates, but they would work for a phone.

In article <t2ksuk$731$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> > It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
> > catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> > whatever is required to assure your safety.
>
> Yes, I've seen articles that proclaim that as well. But the reality is
> that phones exploding or bursting into flames while charging (or while
> not charging) is a pretty rare occurrence, at least it has been since
> the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Macbook debacles.

there was no macbook debacle.

On 2022-04-06, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t2kr4g$vof$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> >>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
>> >>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>> >>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>> >>
>> >> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to
>> >> bed?
>> >
>> > Also, what about the electrical wiring and breaker boxes inside of
>> > his walls? I smell DaNgEr!
>>
>> Probably best to trip the main breaker at the panel...
>
> what if the breaker panel catches fire? that is usually in the
> basement, where a fire can spread undetected, until it's too late.
>
> it's best to disconnect it from the source, on top of the pole
> outside. that way, any potential fire is away from the home, and also
> up high, away from vehicles. they contain a reservoir of highly
> combustible fuel.
>
> for those with underground cables, dig a hole, which only needs to be
> done once.

Exactly my thoughts. Why take any risk at all?

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In message <t2k7eh$9e2$1@dont-email.me> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 12:33 PM, Lewis wrote:

>>> A quick charger is convenient when you need it because the phone is charged
>>> in no time flat, but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night for the
>>> phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.
>>
>> You're being an idiot.

> You don't consider saved time a convenience?

I've never been waiting on my phone to charge.

>> It does not take all day nor all night to charge a phone.

> How long does it take to slow charge that phone of yours compared to how
> long it takes to fast charge that phone of yours?

It does not take all day and all night as you claimed.

I do not time how long it takes to charge my phone, so I have literally
no idea how long it takes. It is at 100% when I pick it up and it runs
all day.

> That's the convenience.

No, because I am not sitting by my phone waiting for it to charge. It is
at 100% in the morning, it lasts all day.

>>> What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that makes you
>>> dislike quick chargers so much?
>>
>> This has been pointed out to you several times.

> Your great grandfather who used a hand drill would have loved the
> convenience of a power drill.

False analogy. I am not waiting on the phone to be charged. The speed of
charging has literally no effect on my day.

> You seem to dislike the convenience of fast charging because you don't have
> it.

As I said, I have no idea if I have it or not. It is entirely irrelevant
to me.

>> Expense of a new charger

> It comes free with the phone, even cheap phones.

If you say so.

>> and damage over time to the battery.

> No more than a power drill causes damage to the wood over a hand drill.

This makes no sense. Charging batteries faster shortens their life,
this is a simple fact.

> Are you disliking the convenience of a fast charger

There is no convenience for me, at all.

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In message <t2k7fa$a0h$1@dont-email.me> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 12:39 PM, Lewis wrote:

>> Stop being stupid. There is no "full night" about it. It does not take
>> hours to charge an iPhone. You're being a colossal dumbass.

> What's the difference in time to charge an iPhone on the slow charger and on
> the fast charger? How many hours difference is it?

Since it does not take :hours" to charge an iPhone, it cannot be "hours"
different.

> That's the convenience.

Nope. You are projecting.

>>> There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really useful.
>>
>> To you, perhaps. Not to most people, no.

> If your great grandma could do the household laundry in a couple of hours
> instead of the way your great grandmother did it taking at least a half day
> or more, she would say that the saving is convenient too.

You keep making very silly comparisons that are not comparisons at all.

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No. Not much point, really.

On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
>>>>> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD
>>>>> supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already
>>>>> have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>>
>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>
>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>>> reality.
>>
>> Not so quick...
>>
>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>
>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>>> while they sleep.
>>
>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>
> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?

Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else at
the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything not
needed is turned off at the wall socket.

On 4/6/2022 9:21 PM, Lewis wrote:

> You keep making very silly comparisons that are not comparisons at all.

Washing by hand & hanging up to dry all night is better for the environment.
Using a washer & dryer is more convenient.

On 4/6/2022 2:13 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Meh. If I ever do need one, I'm fine with purchasing it. A few bucks
> won't break my bank, and I'm happy to contribute to overall energy and
> environmental savings.

The difference between a slow charger and a fast charger is the same concept
as the difference between drying clothes on a clothes line all night (slow)
or putting them in the dryer (fast).

On 4/6/2022 2:30 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Is it really not okay with you that some of us
> don't need fast charging?

It's fine if you want to do things the way your great grandmother did.

I prefer the convenience of a (fast) dryer while you're waiting all night
for your clothes to dry on the (slow) line and you're complaining about it.

On 4/6/2022 2:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> You don't consider saved time a convenience?
>>
>>> It does not take all day nor all night to charge a phone.
>>
>> How long does it take to slow charge that phone of yours
>
> Not that long. My current iPhone 13 Pro will charge from empty to full
> in around 1 hour 30 minutes - and note that's with Apple slowing down
> the charge rate towards the last ~30% of capacity to reduce the heat
> generated, preserving overall battery life. If you consistently find
> yourself needing to fully charge your devices faster, then you should
> definitely get and use a fast charger. But for most of us, that's simply
> not necessary. And there is a slew of folks who don't need yet another
> power adapter when they upgrade to a new device. That's just how it is.

The OnePlus 9 Pro charges from empty to 50% in 15 minutes
and from empty to 99% in 30 minutes using the included 65W charger.

Can your current iPhone 13 Pro do that?

nospam wrote:
> In article <t2ksuk$731$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
>>> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>
>> Yes, I've seen articles that proclaim that as well. But the reality is
>> that phones exploding or bursting into flames while charging (or while
>> not charging) is a pretty rare occurrence, at least it has been since
>> the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Macbook debacles.
>
> there was no macbook debacle.
>

Is it safe to urinate on an iPhone or macbook while it is being
fast charged?

Like at a beach party.

knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 9:21 PM, Lewis wrote:
>
>> You keep making very silly comparisons that are not comparisons
>> at all.
>
> Washing by hand & hanging up to dry all night is better for the
> environment.
> Using a washer & dryer is more convenient.

And hike your leg before letting a fart!

On 2022-04-06 3:00 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 2:13 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Meh. If I ever do need one, I'm fine with purchasing it. A few bucks
>> won't break my bank, and I'm happy to contribute to overall energy and
>> environmental savings.
>
> The difference between a slow charger and a fast charger is the same
> concept
> as the difference between drying clothes on a clothes line all night (slow)
> or putting them in the dryer (fast).

You insist on drawing ridiculous analogies.

Put your clothes in a dryer and they'll definitely be dry in the morning.

Put your clothes on the line, and they may or may not be dry depending
up on the weather.

Put your phone on a fast or slow charger when you go to bed and it will
definitely be fully charged in the morning.

On 2022-04-06 3:05 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 2:30 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Is it really not okay with you that some of us
>> don't need fast charging?
>
> It's fine if you want to do things the way your great grandmother did.
>
> I prefer the convenience of a (fast) dryer while you're waiting all night
> for your clothes to dry on the (slow) line and you're complaining about it.

You're not "waiting", you twit:

YOU'RE SLEEPING!

On 2022-04-06 3:14 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 2:28 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> You don't consider saved time a convenience?
>>>
>>>> It does not take all day nor all night to charge a phone.
>>>
>>> How long does it take to slow charge that phone of yours
>>
>> Not that long. My current iPhone 13 Pro will charge from empty to full
>> in around 1 hour 30 minutes - and note that's with Apple slowing down
>> the charge rate towards the last ~30% of capacity to reduce the heat
>> generated, preserving overall battery life. If you consistently find
>> yourself needing to fully charge your devices faster, then you should
>> definitely get and use a fast charger. But for most of us, that's simply
>> not necessary. And there is a slew of folks who don't need yet another
>> power adapter when they upgrade to a new device. That's just how it is.
>
> The OnePlus 9 Pro charges from empty to 50% in 15 minutes and from empty
> to 99% in 30 minutes using the included 65W charger.
>
> Can your current iPhone 13 Pro do that?

Nope.

Is it actually that important?

Also... ...nope!

On 2022-04-06 2:58 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 9:21 PM, Lewis wrote:
>
>> You keep making very silly comparisons that are not comparisons at all.
>
> Washing by hand & hanging up to dry all night is better for the
> environment.
> Using a washer & dryer is more convenient.

It's still not a good comparison.

Here is what people really want when they put their phones on to charge
when they go to bed:

For it to be fully charged when they get up.

On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB
>>>>>> charger wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a
>>>>>> modern USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C
>>>>>> lead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I
>>>>>> already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is
>>>>>> not true!
>>>>>
>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>>>> reality.
>>>
>>> Not so quick...
>>>
>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>
>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>>>> while they sleep.
>>>
>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>
>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>
> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
> aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else at
> the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything not
> needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>
>

Wow.

How utterly ridiculous?

The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?

On 4/6/2022 2:45 PM, sms wrote:

> While it's disappointing that Android manufacturers have stopped
> including fast chargers, and that Apple never included them, it's
> understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting chargers.

The OnePlus 9 Pro came out in 2022 and it includes a 65 watt fast charger.
TomsGuide tested the charge speed from empty to full to be only 30 minutes.
That's convenient.

Can you get that free 65 watt charger convenience if used on your iPhone?

In article <t2l2ic$q3p$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The difference between a slow charger and a fast charger is the same concept
> as the difference between drying clothes on a clothes line all night (slow)
> or putting them in the dryer (fast).

nope.

it's the difference between setting a clothes dryer to high heat versus
low heat.

one of those is better for clothes than the other.

some clothes even say to not use high heat.

In article <fjo3K.31704$Kdf.895@fx96.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Is it safe to urinate on an iPhone or macbook while it is being
> fast charged?

it's safer than peeing on the third rail of a subway.

> Like at a beach party.

what kind of beach parties do you go to??

On 4/6/2022 6:53 PM, nospam wrote:

>> The difference between a slow charger and a fast charger is the same concept
>> as the difference between drying clothes on a clothes line all night (slow)
>> or putting them in the dryer (fast).
>
> nope.
>
> it's the difference between setting a clothes dryer to high heat versus
> low heat.
>
> one of those is better for clothes than the other.
>
> some clothes even say to not use high heat.

Your analogy is ok.

The 2022 One Plus 9 Pro charges from empty to full in 30 minutes
with the included 64 watt fast charger.

Is your iPhone one of those that say not to use that high of a heat setting?