On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:52:56 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/21/2022 1:04 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>> >>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>> >>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>> >>>>>> missed that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>> >>>>> Photo of the
>> >>>>> diploma:
>> >>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>> >>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>> >>>>> governor of
>> >>>>> California.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>> >>>> landslide (:-)
>> >>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>> >>> location data which matches?
>> >>>
>> >>> Last September first reports:
>> >>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Follow up this month:
>> >>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>> >>> constitutional violations.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>> >>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>> >>> ballot harvesting.
>> >>>
>> >>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>> >>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>> >>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>> >>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>> >>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>> >>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>> >>> was procedural.
>> >>
>> >> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>> >> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>> >> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>> >>
>> >> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>> >> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>> >> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>> >>
>> >> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>> >> lost the election?
>> >>
>> >> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Maybe, maybe not.
>> > There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no testimony, no
>> > evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a public record, no?
>> If it were as certain as Trumpsters proclaim, there _would_ have been
>> hearings, testimony and evidence.
>>
>> Allusions and fantasy are all we see, followed by refutations. "Moon
>> landing was fake" has better evidence.
>
>So as well as proving that you have been a very poor teacher, you have to prove that you don't know how government works and to what ends they will go to try and protect the publics faith in the election process. I have to say, if it came to a contest between you and fat Johnny, I would be hard pressed to chose the most ignorant.

"Fat Johnny"??? I weighed 61 kg this morning. But then as Dr Gobbels
stated "tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it will be accepted
as truth".

As for "know how government works"??? I assume that you mean that
leaping up and down waving your arms and shouting "You stole the vote"
is the modern form of democracy?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/21/2022 7:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

<https://i.imgur.com/XrcFZUS.png>.

On 1/21/2022 10:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> A lot of what I read is paywall and a lot of what I hear is radio
> without transcripts. I seek web links for my replies on RBT and, unlike
> Mr Liebermann, have never spent an hour researching links.

You might want to consider researching links before posting them. Be
like Jeff and you won't be posting garbage conspiracy theory links.

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 11:35:34 PM UTC, sms wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 10:06 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > A lot of what I read is paywall and a lot of what I hear is radio
> > without transcripts. I seek web links for my replies on RBT and, unlike
> > Mr Liebermann, have never spent an hour researching links.
> You might want to consider researching links before posting them. Be
> like Jeff and you won't be posting garbage conspiracy theory links.

On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>> California.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>
>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>
>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>
>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>> was procedural.
>>>
>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>
>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>
>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>> lost the election?
>>>
>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not.
>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>> public record, no?
>
> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
> sticking point... no evidence.
>

Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
pathetic:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/

Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
manner' for Federal elections[1].

[1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
to the instant case.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/21/2022 5:33 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 7:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> <https://i.imgur.com/XrcFZUS.png>.
>

Yes, that's right, no control of spending.

But then again, a very healthy GDP increase if you like a
growing economy, more employment, higher standard of living
and all that:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9261dd233a46b6e1921869dfbb4818e

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:50:01 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>
>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>
>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>> lost the election?
>>>>
>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>> public record, no?
>>
>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>
>
>Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>pathetic:
>
>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>
>Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>manner' for Federal elections[1].
>
But isn't that what the Court did? the article quotes says, in part,
"The Supreme Court on Monday said it will not hear a case out of
Pennsylvania related to the 2020 election, a dispute that had lingered
while similar election challenges had already been rejected by the
justices."
and
"The court had previously rejected other cases that had involved the
Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to extend the deadline for
mail-in ballots."

>
>
>[1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>to the instant case.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/21/2022 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:50:01 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>
>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>
>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>> public record, no?
>>>
>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>> pathetic:
>>
>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>
>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>
> But isn't that what the Court did? the article quotes says, in part,
> "The Supreme Court on Monday said it will not hear a case out of
> Pennsylvania related to the 2020 election, a dispute that had lingered
> while similar election challenges had already been rejected by the
> justices."
> and
> "The court had previously rejected other cases that had involved the
> Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to extend the deadline for
> mail-in ballots."
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>> to the instant case.

Yes, you nailed it.

The PA State Supreme court made extralegal unconstitutional
changes, in violation of existing Statutes, with no
authority whatsoever to do any such thing, just before an
election.

When the Legislature asked for redress, The Supremes punted
with, 'Moot, because the election's over.' Which of course
ignores a very large Constitutional question. That question
remains unaddressed.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:54:04 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/21/2022 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:50:01 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>
>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>> pathetic:
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>
>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>
>> But isn't that what the Court did? the article quotes says, in part,
>> "The Supreme Court on Monday said it will not hear a case out of
>> Pennsylvania related to the 2020 election, a dispute that had lingered
>> while similar election challenges had already been rejected by the
>> justices."
>> and
>> "The court had previously rejected other cases that had involved the
>> Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to extend the deadline for
>> mail-in ballots."
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>> to the instant case.
>
>Yes, you nailed it.
>
>The PA State Supreme court made extralegal unconstitutional
>changes, in violation of existing Statutes, with no
>authority whatsoever to do any such thing, just before an
>election.
>
>When the Legislature asked for redress, The Supremes punted
>with, 'Moot, because the election's over.' Which of course
>ignores a very large Constitutional question. That question
>remains unaddressed.

Somehow you've lost me as, probably, I can only read posted news
articles, but I read that:

"The Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday to allow Pennsylvania to accept
mail-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day.

The Court’s decision followed a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling
requiring boards of elections to count mail-in ballots postmarked by
Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. Following the state court ruling, the
Republican Party of Pennsylvania appealed to the Supreme Court to
overturn the ruling. The Supreme Court declined to take up the
Republican Party's challenge, leaving the original ruling in place,
CNN reported."

But in all honesty I don't understand all the toing and froing about
voting in the U.S. When I was a kid they set up a "voting booth" in
the town and announced that it would be open from A to B o'clock on
voting day and people came and voted. Of course, there weren't any, or
at least I don't remember any, "mail in votes",

But then the U.S. is getting to be a very strange place. the news this
morning has it that
"Mother sues Meta and Snap over tween daughter’s suicide"
An American mother alleges firms are to blame for the suicide of her
11-year-old daughter, who had an ‘extreme addiction’ to social media.

Which seems to say that "if you can't control your kids just blame it
on somebody else".

Then we have the announcement that
"M&M’s makeover: Candy maker revamps mascots with less sexist look"
Some of the changes to the M&M’s characters include making two of them
less stereotypically feminine.

It makes vote fraud seem a very trivial thing (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/21/2022 7:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>> <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>
>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>
>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>
>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>> lost the election?
>>>>
>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>> public record, no?
>>
>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>
>
> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on procedural
> grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and pathetic:
>
> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/

You make this sound like some grand conspiracy - a conspiracy against
Republicans mounted by judges largely appointed by Republicans. I find
that highly implausible.

There's also the fact that down-ticket Republicans did rather well.
Perhaps they should be removed from office, and their Democrat opponents
should all be instated?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/21/2022 8:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 5:33 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/21/2022 7:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> <https://i.imgur.com/XrcFZUS.png>.
>>
>
> Yes, that's right, no control of spending.
>
> But then again, a very healthy GDP increase if you like a growing
> economy, more employment, higher standard of living and all that:
>
> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9261dd233a46b6e1921869dfbb4818e

I like it when such measures of prosperity are spread rather evenly
across the income or wealth scale. When a nice-looking average is due to
extreme gains at the top, social problems result.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me about the
>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black wire that was hot.
>
> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably wanted to
> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>
> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or grey) for the
> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green with yellow
> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other colors except
> these may be used for the power conductors."
>
> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>

This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot. We were
talking about single phase.

About the variations across countries: It's a bit depressing that
countries could not have agreed on this at the beginning. Electricity
emerged in industrial society pretty much all at once. In an ideal
world, I'd think different countries would have settled on the same
colors, voltages, frequencies, plug styles... But no.

I guess I should be pleasantly amazed that half the world's bicycles
don't have their chains on the left side. :-/

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
> >>>>>>> missed that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Ā
> >>>>>> Photo of the
> >>>>>> diploma:
> >>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
> >>>>>> governor of
> >>>>>> California.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
> >>>>> landslide (:-)
> >>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
> >>>> location data which matches?
> >>>>
> >>>> Last September first reports:
> >>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Follow up this month:
> >>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
> >>>> constitutional violations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
> >>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
> >>>> ballot harvesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
> >>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
> >>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
> >>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
> >>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
> >>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
> >>>> was procedural.
> >>>
> >>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
> >>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
> >>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
> >>>
> >>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
> >>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
> >>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
> >>>
> >>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
> >>> lost the election?
> >>>
> >>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Maybe, maybe not.
> >> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
> >> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
> >> public record, no?
> >
> > I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
> > perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
> > evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
> > someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
> > sticking point... no evidence.
> >
> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
> pathetic:
>
> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>
> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>
>
>
> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
> to the instant case.

Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants.. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.

When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.

This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:33:49 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:54:04 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 1/21/2022 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:50:01 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
> >>>>>>>>>> missed that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
> >>>>>>>>> Photo of the
> >>>>>>>>> diploma:
> >>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
> >>>>>>>>> governor of
> >>>>>>>>> California.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
> >>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
> >>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
> >>>>>>> location data which matches?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Last September first reports:
> >>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Follow up this month:
> >>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
> >>>>>>> constitutional violations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
> >>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
> >>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
> >>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
> >>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
> >>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
> >>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
> >>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
> >>>>>>> was procedural.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
> >>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
> >>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
> >>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
> >>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
> >>>>>> lost the election?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
> >>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
> >>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
> >>>>> public record, no?
> >>>>
> >>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
> >>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
> >>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
> >>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
> >>>> sticking point... no evidence.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
> >>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
> >>> pathetic:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
> >>>
> >>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
> >>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
> >>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
> >>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
> >>>
> >> But isn't that what the Court did? the article quotes says, in part,
> >> "The Supreme Court on Monday said it will not hear a case out of
> >> Pennsylvania related to the 2020 election, a dispute that had lingered
> >> while similar election challenges had already been rejected by the
> >> justices."
> >> and
> >> "The court had previously rejected other cases that had involved the
> >> Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to extend the deadline for
> >> mail-in ballots."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
> >>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
> >>> to the instant case.
> >
> >Yes, you nailed it.
> >
> >The PA State Supreme court made extralegal unconstitutional
> >changes, in violation of existing Statutes, with no
> >authority whatsoever to do any such thing, just before an
> >election.
> >
> >When the Legislature asked for redress, The Supremes punted
> >with, 'Moot, because the election's over.' Which of course
> >ignores a very large Constitutional question. That question
> >remains unaddressed.
> Somehow you've lost me as, probably, I can only read posted news
> articles, but I read that:
>
> "The Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday to allow Pennsylvania to accept
> mail-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day.
>
> The Court’s decision followed a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling
> requiring boards of elections to count mail-in ballots postmarked by
> Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. Following the state court ruling, the
> Republican Party of Pennsylvania appealed to the Supreme Court to
> overturn the ruling. The Supreme Court declined to take up the
> Republican Party's challenge, leaving the original ruling in place,
> CNN reported."
>
> But in all honesty I don't understand all the toing and froing about
> voting in the U.S. When I was a kid they set up a "voting booth" in
> the town and announced that it would be open from A to B o'clock on
> voting day and people came and voted. Of course, there weren't any, or
> at least I don't remember any, "mail in votes",
>
> But then the U.S. is getting to be a very strange place. the news this
> morning has it that
> "Mother sues Meta and Snap over tween daughter’s suicide"
> An American mother alleges firms are to blame for the suicide of her
> 11-year-old daughter, who had an ‘extreme addiction’ to social media.
>
> Which seems to say that "if you can't control your kids just blame it
> on somebody else".
>
> Then we have the announcement that
> "M&M’s makeover: Candy maker revamps mascots with less sexist look"
> Some of the changes to the M&M’s characters include making two of them
> less stereotypically feminine.
>
> It makes vote fraud seem a very trivial thing (:-)

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:14:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/21/2022 8:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/21/2022 5:33 PM, sms wrote:
> >> On 1/21/2022 7:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> <https://i.imgur.com/XrcFZUS.png>.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, that's right, no control of spending.
> >
> > But then again, a very healthy GDP increase if you like a growing
> > economy, more employment, higher standard of living and all that:
> >
> > https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f9261dd233a46b6e1921869dfbb4818e
> I like it when such measures of prosperity are spread rather evenly
> across the income or wealth scale. When a nice-looking average is due to
> extreme gains at the top, social problems result.

More demonstration of your communist bend? Some people want money large amounts of money grow of themselves since these people cannot spend it fast enough to overcome the interest rates on their capital. But the communist in you wants to think that everyone wants to be rich and that you should steal from the rich and give to the poor. Give money to some homeless drug addict living under and overpass because the mental giant in you believes that all should and can be equal.

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:26:41 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 5:33:04 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Have you found anything yet explaining how PWM is used in cable
> >> testing?
> >Perhaps you have a difficult time reading your own citations which showed that time domain reflectometer is a form of using PWM for testing cables. Why would you cite that without actually reading it? Or is it simply that you didn't understand that the pulse width has to be changed for longer and/or more resistive wire?
>
> You seem to be having a problem understanding how citations, sources,
> and URL's are used to prove a point. The correct way it to provide
> the source of your allegation, followed by the location (page or
> paragraph number), and a quote proving your point. You've done none
> of these. If you believe that one of my citations demonstrated that
> PWM is used in cable testing, you would be expected to repeat the
> citation, provide the source, and provide an quote. Instead, you
> provided a vague reference to one of my numerous citations, with no
> way for anyone, including me, to find which citation you are referring
> to, and no way to even search for such a citation.
>
> However, this does bring up an interesting observation. Since you
> claim that one of my references proved your point, you must obviously
> have read both my posting to RBT and the reference in question.
> Therefore, it should be easy for you to find this document. However,
> you haven't done this, ever. Instead, you create an obstacle course
> for readers to follow, making it as difficult as possible to trace
> your sources of misinformation. Perhaps if you followed the legal
> professions rules of evidence, you might see what is needed to prove
> your claims and allegations. Abbreviated version:
> <https://nhba.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/14151625/LRE-MockTrial-JudgesPacketEvidenceSummary.pdf>
> It's not the best reference, but it's short enough for you read and
> possibly understand.
>
> You also have the interesting habit of accusing writers in RBT, who
> disagree with your claims, of not understanding the topic, and then
> failing to explain it yourself. If you're going to claim to be an
> authority on literally every topic possible (usually based on prior
> employment), you need to demonstrate that you are an expert. That's
> difficult online, but the presentation of a diploma, transcript,
> certification, award, or testimonial by an expert will usually
> suffice. Simply claiming something is true (in your case) is
> insufficient. In other words, don't claim that someone is lacking
> competence unless you first demonstrate that you are competent to make
> the determination.
>
> Examples of proper citations in the form of:
> - Claim
> - Reference (title optional)
> - Quote
>
> Incidentally, are you still claiming to be a life member of the
> Aeolian Yacht Club?
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-Hmh6pTCz7U/m/e9jy1h-eAAAJ>
> "Well, at least we get the comedy of your comments that the San
> Francisco Bay Sea Level has changed when I am a life member of the
> Aeolian Yacht Club and haven't seen any changes in my time as a
> member."
>
> Also, are you still claiming to be (or have been) and engineer?
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Evu4lYkxK6M/m/73vmUjIPAgAJ>
> "Perhaps as an engineer I have always been aware of rim failure."
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8lI8HcCbtYQ/m/GgP_A0aHAgAJ>
> "Saying that I have never played with magnets as an electronic
> engineer and designed MANY motor drive designs..."
>
> [ 90 minutes wasted. ]

What you have "proven" is that you are totally unaware of your own citation or you are unable to understand it. Tell you what you pin headed idiot - if you believe this to be such a waste of your time why are you answering them?

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:06:31 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 03:32:24 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:41:02 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have missed that.
> >> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past. Photo of the
> >> diploma:
> >> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was governor of
> >> California.
> >Kudos! Reagan notwithstanding
>
> Thanks. Notice that I didn't say that having my diploma autographed
> by Ronald Reagan was a good or bad thing. One year before I was
> graduated, Gov Reagan closed the state colleges for 4 days in order to
> stop student protests over Kent State and the US expansion of the
> Vietnam war into Cambodia.
> <https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/07/archives/reagan-closes-campus-system-in-face-of-disorders.html>
> It seemed to have worked, but literally all of my friends were not
> very happy with Gov Reagan after the closure. It was about one month
> before graduation and everyone was worried that the closure would be
> extended and possibly cancel exams and graduation. That was a
> powerful incentive to go home, cram for the exams, and ignore politics
> for a while. Four dead students at Kent State also had a sobering
> effect on the protests.

The moronic fool that pretends to be an engineer tells us that it was a horrible thing for students to worry about their grades and actually have to study. Only Jeffy Cleffy could come up with that sort of idea.

The war in Vietnam was STARTED by John Kennedy, was greatly expanded by Lyndon Johnson and BOTH of these Democrat Presidents retained the draft to force college students or younger generations into the military and with hundreds dying in Vietnam - FOR WHAT?

Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets? Plainly the Democrat campus workers were the cause of all of this. When you had people in a large crowd of student that were advancing on National Guard members who were NOT trained for crowd control and were being shot at from out of those crowds, to think that they were not going to return fire clearly demonstrates that the Democrat campus organizers had intended this to occur.

Jeff, what is a waste of time around here is your idiotic comments that you fucking know nothing about because you were in your diapers.

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me about the
> >> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black wire that was hot.
> >
> > Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably wanted to
> > know about electrical wiring color coding:
> >
> > <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> > "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or grey) for the
> > neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green with yellow
> > stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other colors except
> > these may be used for the power conductors."
> >
> > Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> > <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot. We were
> talking about single phase.
>
> About the variations across countries: It's a bit depressing that
> countries could not have agreed on this at the beginning. Electricity
> emerged in industrial society pretty much all at once. In an ideal
> world, I'd think different countries would have settled on the same
> colors, voltages, frequencies, plug styles... But no.
>
> I guess I should be pleasantly amazed that half the world's bicycles
> don't have their chains on the left side. :-/

Frank, how many buildings have you rewired? Why are you talking about things that you have to fat johnny and google to learn anything about?

On 1/22/2022 2:18 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>>> about the
>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>>> wire that was hot.
>>
>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably
>> wanted to
>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>
>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>
>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>> grey) for the
>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>> with yellow
>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>> colors except
>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>
>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>>
>
> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot.
> We were talking about single phase.
>
> About the variations across countries: It's a bit depressing
> that countries could not have agreed on this at the
> beginning. Electricity emerged in industrial society pretty
> much all at once. In an ideal world, I'd think different
> countries would have settled on the same colors, voltages,
> frequencies, plug styles... But no.
>
> I guess I should be pleasantly amazed that half the world's
> bicycles don't have their chains on the left side. :-/
>

Wire colors? I suppose one need start somewhere:

https://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/images2/ac-plug-types-worldwide.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>> >>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>> >>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>> >>>>>>> missed that.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>> >>>>>> Photo of the
>> >>>>>> diploma:
>> >>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>> >>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>> >>>>>> governor of
>> >>>>>> California.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>> >>>>> landslide (:-)
>> >>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>> >>>> location data which matches?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Last September first reports:
>> >>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Follow up this month:
>> >>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>> >>>> constitutional violations.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>> >>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>> >>>> ballot harvesting.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>> >>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>> >>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>> >>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>> >>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>> >>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>> >>>> was procedural.
>> >>>
>> >>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>> >>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>> >>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>> >>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>> >>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>> >>>
>> >>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>> >>> lost the election?
>> >>>
>> >>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Maybe, maybe not.
>> >> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>> >> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>> >> public record, no?
>> >
>> > I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>> > perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>> > evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>> > someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>> > sticking point... no evidence.
>> >
>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>> pathetic:
>>
>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>
>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>> to the instant case.
>
>Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>
>When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>
>This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.

Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
the court refused to hear them.

How do you stand it?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:50:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:33:49 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 19:54:04 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/21/2022 7:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:50:01 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>> >>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>> >>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>> >>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.Â
>> >>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>> >>>>>>>>> diploma:
>> >>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>> >>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>> >>>>>>>>> governor of
>> >>>>>>>>> California.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>> >>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>> >>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>> >>>>>>> location data which matches?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>> >>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>> >>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>> >>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>> >>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>> >>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>> >>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>> >>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>> >>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>> >>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>> >>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>> >>>>>>> was procedural.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>> >>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>> >>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>> >>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>> >>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>> >>>>>> lost the election?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>> >>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>> >>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>> >>>>> public record, no?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>> >>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>> >>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>> >>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>> >>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>> >>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>> >>> pathetic:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>> >>>
>> >>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>> >>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>> >>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>> >>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>> >>>
>> >> But isn't that what the Court did? the article quotes says, in part,
>> >> "The Supreme Court on Monday said it will not hear a case out of
>> >> Pennsylvania related to the 2020 election, a dispute that had lingered
>> >> while similar election challenges had already been rejected by the
>> >> justices."
>> >> and
>> >> "The court had previously rejected other cases that had involved the
>> >> Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to extend the deadline for
>> >> mail-in ballots."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>> >>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>> >>> to the instant case.
>> >
>> >Yes, you nailed it.
>> >
>> >The PA State Supreme court made extralegal unconstitutional
>> >changes, in violation of existing Statutes, with no
>> >authority whatsoever to do any such thing, just before an
>> >election.
>> >
>> >When the Legislature asked for redress, The Supremes punted
>> >with, 'Moot, because the election's over.' Which of course
>> >ignores a very large Constitutional question. That question
>> >remains unaddressed.
>> Somehow you've lost me as, probably, I can only read posted news
>> articles, but I read that:
>>
>> "The Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday to allow Pennsylvania to accept
>> mail-in ballots received up to three days after Election Day.
>>
>> The Court’s decision followed a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling
>> requiring boards of elections to count mail-in ballots postmarked by
>> Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. Following the state court ruling, the
>> Republican Party of Pennsylvania appealed to the Supreme Court to
>> overturn the ruling. The Supreme Court declined to take up the
>> Republican Party's challenge, leaving the original ruling in place,
>> CNN reported."
>>
>> But in all honesty I don't understand all the toing and froing about
>> voting in the U.S. When I was a kid they set up a "voting booth" in
>> the town and announced that it would be open from A to B o'clock on
>> voting day and people came and voted. Of course, there weren't any, or
>> at least I don't remember any, "mail in votes",
>>
>> But then the U.S. is getting to be a very strange place. the news this
>> morning has it that
>> "Mother sues Meta and Snap over tween daughter’s suicide"
>> An American mother alleges firms are to blame for the suicide of her
>> 11-year-old daughter, who had an ‘extreme addiction’ to social media.
>>
>> Which seems to say that "if you can't control your kids just blame it
>> on somebody else".
>>
>> Then we have the announcement that
>> "M&M’s makeover: Candy maker revamps mascots with less sexist look"
>> Some of the changes to the M&M’s characters include making two of them
>> less stereotypically feminine.
>>
>> It makes vote fraud seem a very trivial thing (:-)
>
>Tell us John, what do you know about children? Did you get a college degree in that as well?

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:20:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me about the
>> >> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black wire that was hot.
>> >
>> > Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably wanted to
>> > know about electrical wiring color coding:
>> >
>> > <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>> > "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or grey) for the
>> > neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green with yellow
>> > stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other colors except
>> > these may be used for the power conductors."
>> >
>> > Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>> > <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot. We were
>> talking about single phase.
>>
>> About the variations across countries: It's a bit depressing that
>> countries could not have agreed on this at the beginning. Electricity
>> emerged in industrial society pretty much all at once. In an ideal
>> world, I'd think different countries would have settled on the same
>> colors, voltages, frequencies, plug styles... But no.
>>
>> I guess I should be pleasantly amazed that half the world's bicycles
>> don't have their chains on the left side. :-/
>
>Frank, how many buildings have you rewired? Why are you talking about things that you have to fat johnny and google to learn anything about?

I have to laugh... I told my wife about Tommy's "fat Johnny" remarks
and she commented, I'm translating here, "that stupid American doesn't
know what he is talking about".

So there you have it Tommy, "put down" by a total stranger, someone
that has never met you, or read you ranting's, and still knows that
you are a fool.

Why, you could add that you your resume... "Even foreign people think
that I'm a fool"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/22/2022 4:20 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 12:18:08 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me about the
>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black wire that was hot.
>>>
>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably wanted to
>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>
>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or grey) for the
>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green with yellow
>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other colors except
>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>
>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot. We were
>> talking about single phase.
>>
>> About the variations across countries: It's a bit depressing that
>> countries could not have agreed on this at the beginning. Electricity
>> emerged in industrial society pretty much all at once. In an ideal
>> world, I'd think different countries would have settled on the same
>> colors, voltages, frequencies, plug styles... But no.
>>
>> I guess I should be pleasantly amazed that half the world's bicycles
>> don't have their chains on the left side. :-/
>
> Frank, how many buildings have you rewired?

I've done plenty of building wiring, Tom.

Go away.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me about the
>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black wire that was hot.
>>>
>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you probably wanted to
>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>
>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or grey) for the
>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green with yellow
>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other colors except
>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>
>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>
>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was hot. We were
>> talking about single phase.
>
> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black are hot.
> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.

OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing one phase of
a common two phase system. He was insisting that white was hot and black
was neutral.

Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Incidentally, are you still claiming to be a life member of the
> >> Aeolian Yacht Club?
> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-Hmh6pTCz7U/m/e9jy1h-eAAAJ>
> >> "Well, at least we get the comedy of your comments that the San
> >> Francisco Bay Sea Level has changed when I am a life member of the
> >> Aeolian Yacht Club and haven't seen any changes in my time as a
> >> member."
> >>
> >> Also, are you still claiming to be (or have been) and engineer?
> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Evu4lYkxK6M/m/73vmUjIPAgAJ>
> >> "Perhaps as an engineer I have always been aware of rim failure."
> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8lI8HcCbtYQ/m/GgP_A0aHAgAJ>
> >> "Saying that I have never played with magnets as an electronic
> >> engineer and designed MANY motor drive designs..."
> >>
> >> [ 90 minutes wasted. ]
> Nice of you to ignore my questions, while expecting answers to your
> questions. Oh well.
> >What you have "proven" is that you are totally unaware of your own citation
> >or you are unable to understand it.
> Thank you for giving me only two options. That was very generous of
> you. However, you should consider that there is at least one
> additional possibility such as I don't have a clue which of my
> numerous references which mentions a connection between PWM and TDR or
> cable testing. It's not my job to find YOUR references or
> substantiate YOUR claims. If you had previously found the alleged
> citation, you can find it again for yourself so your audience can
> determine if proves your point.
> >Tell you what you pin headed idiot - if you believe this to be such
> >a waste of your time why are you answering them?
> I previously answered that question at least once. Expanding a
> little: My purpose here is to expose your lies, expose you fabricated
> numbers, fact-check your misinformation, correct your errors,
> demonstrate your lack of ability in various technical areas, and ruin
> what little is left of your credibility and reputation. Besides the
> entertainment value, researching your amazing facts also provides me
> with an excuse to research some potentially interesting areas.

Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.