On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:21:35 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that
>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just like
>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>
>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>
>>> So is Trump.
>>
>> Agree.
>>>
>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide.
>>>
>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>> report.
>
>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.
>
>That is nothing even remotely like murder.

Doesn't matter does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.
>
>> Social
>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election.
>
>Wouldn't happen with a murder.

Sure.
>
>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>
>Irrelevant.
>
>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved in.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning'
>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:23:56 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:37:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:50:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>>>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
>>>>>> nukes they would be a joke.
>>>>>
>>>>> How odd that they did so well at Stalingrad, before
>>>>> you buggers had even showed up in europe.
>>>>
>>>> That was in the 1940s. You really are old. OK, Putin's military
>>>> is a bunch of effeminate pussies.
>>>
>>> They have done a lot better than you clowns did in Afghanistan.
>
>> I admit Bush JR is a joke.
>
>You are a joke.

You are a pathetic effeminate pussy of a man.
>
>>>>>>>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.
>>>>>
>>>>>> His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
>>>>>> show he is evil to the core.
>>>>>
>>>>> Separate matter entirely to whether he is the next Hitler of this
>>>>> century.
>>>>
>>>> His actions are not important?
>>>
>>> Never said that, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>> WOW
>>>
>>> You are pathetic.
>>>
>>>>> He isn't even a ruthless as Stalin.
>>>>
>>>> Now that makes since, the current day Russia is not the USSR.
>>>
>>> You quite sure you aren't one of those rocket scientist terminal
>>> fuckwits ?
>>>
>>>>>>>> with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That Church needs to be destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even possible. Even Stalin couldn't manage that.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't say it would be easy.
>>>
>>> Not even possible.
>>>
>>>>> That's the problem with you stupid god botherers,
>>>>> even a full holocaust can't get rid of you all.
>>>
>>>> The USSR was a atheist state as is China and North Korea, Atheism
>>>> also shows great evil.
>>>
>>> You are a terminal fuckwit.
>
>> You are unbalanced, even for a far leftist OZZY.
>
>You have never had a fucking clue about the political
>orientation of anyway. I am nothing even remotely
>like a leftist. I am in fact a rightist, but not a far rightist.

You are a troll.
>
>>>>>>>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>>>>>> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>
>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
>>>> self-preservation?
>>>
>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp them
>>> out, stupid.
>
>> What has that to do with today?
>
>It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.

No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>
>>> Nothing evil about that.
>
>>> You are just another arsehole god botherer that
>>> wants to stamp out any other god botherers
>>> whose stupid cult is different in detail to yours.
>
>He's right. Yes, I know that was me.
>
>>>>>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>>>>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>>>> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> hotels.
>>>>>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>>>>>
>>>>> Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
>>>>> stupid enough to do it.
>>>>
>>>> That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
>>>> dementia.
>>>
>>> Neither do.
>>
>> Sure.
>
>Fraid so.
>
>>>>>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
>>>>>> Putin off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that to
>>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell.
>>>
>>> Time has told, no one has actually been stupid enough to try it.
>>>
>>> Plenty did with Hitler.
>>
>> Hitler and Nuclear war?
>
>Nope, Hitler had lots of attempts to kill him.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>
>> You believe in devils?
>>
>The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!

Doubt that.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>
>>> You believe in devils?
>
>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>
>Nope, its just another fairy story.
>
>There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.

Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>
>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics
>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong
>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by
>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship
>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite
>>>>> fast
>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>> such
>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>
>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get
>>>>> nukes.
>>>>
>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>> will
>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed
>>>>> by
>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>
>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>
>>> So is Trump.
>>>
>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>
>>> It never has had.
>>>
>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>
>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>
>> You are a Putin lover.
>
>Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.

On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 08:35:55 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>oops, should be devils, not gods!
> >
> > You believe in devils?

Don't you believe you exist?
I announce myself as:
Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils.
You here are all devils.

The only time in my whole stay outside India, when I felt I was in the company where I naturally belonged, was in Cologne cathedral, among the statues of the saints.

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, discoverer of the Telfer gold mine site, who was reviled or ignored in Australia, was the only person to whom I could relate at a deep intellectual and moral level.
> >
> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!

Where? Did he send the flood to genocide the Jews save Noah & Co.?
> --
> Petzl
> Nov 2019:
> China said Rewrite the Bible!
> https://nationalfile.com/china-orders-pro-communist-bible-revision-admits-bible-is-anti-communist/
> https://is.gd/OTBkj9
> Jesus said:
> If anyone adds to these things,
> God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book
> Revelation 22:18
> Dec 2019:
> CoronaVirus plague outbreak

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that
>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and
>>>>>>>>> murdered
>>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former
>>>>>>>>> chancellor
>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just like
>>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>>
>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>>
>>>> So is Trump.
>>>
>>> Agree.
>>>>
>>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>>> report.
>>
>>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.

>> That is nothing even remotely like murder.

> Doesn't matter

Corse it does, we are discussing whether Biden has
murdered anyone or has had anyone murdered.

> does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.

Hardly what you might call news.

>>> Social
>>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election.
>>
>> Wouldn't happen with a murder.
>
> Sure.
>>
>>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>>
>> Irrelevant.
>>
>>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning'
>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president
>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>>
>>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
>>>>> self-preservation?
>>>>
>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>> them
>>>> out, stupid.
>>
>>> What has that to do with today?
>>
>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>
> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.

Have fun showing that they are evil today.

>>>> Nothing evil about that.
>>
>>>> You are just another arsehole god botherer that
>>>> wants to stamp out any other god botherers
>>>> whose stupid cult is different in detail to yours.
>>
>> He's right. Yes, I know that was me.
>>
>>>>>>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> hotels.
>>>>>>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
>>>>>> stupid enough to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
>>>>> dementia.
>>>>
>>>> Neither do.
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>>>>>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
>>>>>>> Putin off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time will tell.
>>>>
>>>> Time has told, no one has actually been stupid enough to try it.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty did with Hitler.
>>>
>>> Hitler and Nuclear war?
>>
>> Nope, Hitler had lots of attempts to kill him.
>
> OK
>>
>>> Tell us more.
>>
>> Just how many of you are there between those ears ?

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!

>>>> You believe in devils?

>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!

>> Nope, its just another fairy story.

>> There is no heaven or hell for you, just rotting in some
>> coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.

> Prove it?

That's not a question, you stupid drug crazed drunken god bothering
fuckwit.

> I'd also like proof there is a god.

Your problem, as always.

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong
>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> fast
>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>
>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>
>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>
>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>
>>>> It never has had.
>>>>
>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>
>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>
>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>
>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 08:35:55 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>> >
>> > You believe in devils?
>
> Don't you believe you exist?
> I announce myself as:
> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time,
> sole god among lotsa devils.

No surprise that even Telstra kicked you out on your lard arse.

> The only time in my whole stay outside India, when I felt I was in the
> company where I naturally belonged, was in Cologne cathedral, among the
> statues of the saints.

Then fuck off back to India.

> Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud, discoverer of the Telfer gold mine site, who was
> reviled or ignored in Australia, was the only person to whom I could
> relate at a deep intellectual and moral level.

And he would have kicked your steaming turd right out the
door, just like Telstra did.

>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>
> Where? Did he send the flood to genocide the Jews save Noah & Co.?

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>
>>>> You believe in devils?
>>
>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>
>>Nope, its just another fairy story.
>>
>>There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>>coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.
>
> Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.
>
You don't consider intelligent design?
>
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:02 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>
>>> You believe in devils?
>>>
>>The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>
>Doubt that.
>
The Devil is God's Angel.
--
Petzl
Nov 2019:
China said Rewrite the Bible!
https://nationalfile.com/china-orders-pro-communist-bible-revision-admits-bible-is-anti-communist/
https://is.gd/OTBkj9
Jesus said:
If anyone adds to these things,
God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book
Revelation 22:18
Dec 2019:
CoronaVirus plague outbreak

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:32:32 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and
>>>>>>>>>> murdered
>>>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former
>>>>>>>>>> chancellor
>>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just like
>>>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Agree.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>>>> report.
>>>
>>>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>>>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.
>
>>> That is nothing even remotely like murder.
>
>> Doesn't matter
>
>Corse it does, we are discussing whether Biden has
>murdered anyone or has had anyone murdered.

I don't have access to that kind of iinfo. Do you?
>
>> does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.
>
>Hardly what you might call news.

Most news sources are biased.

>
>>>> Social
>>>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't happen with a murder.
>>
>> Sure.
>>>
>>>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.
>>>
>>>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning'
>>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president
>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:34:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
>>>>>> self-preservation?
>>>>>
>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>> them
>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>
>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>
>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>
>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>
>Have fun showing that they are evil today.

Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.
You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>
>>>>> Nothing evil about that.
>>>
>>>>> You are just another arsehole god botherer that
>>>>> wants to stamp out any other god botherers
>>>>> whose stupid cult is different in detail to yours.
>>>
>>> He's right. Yes, I know that was me.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not even possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> hotels.
>>>>>>>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
>>>>>>> stupid enough to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
>>>>>> dementia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither do.
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> Fraid so.
>>>
>>>>>>>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
>>>>>>>> Putin off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time will tell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time has told, no one has actually been stupid enough to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty did with Hitler.
>>>>
>>>> Hitler and Nuclear war?
>>>
>>> Nope, Hitler had lots of attempts to kill him.
>>
>> OK
>>>
>>>> Tell us more.
>>>
>>> Just how many of you are there between those ears ?

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:11:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>
>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>
>>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>
>>>Nope, its just another fairy story.
>>>
>>>There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>>>coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.
>>
>> Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.
>>
>You don't consider intelligent design?

I consider everything, what I don't do is not look at all the facts.
The Bible has flaws, and even if it didn't, there is no proof other
than a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is totally of God, the words of
Paul seem to be very militaristic in nature, not like Jesus.

There is also evidence of evolution. Dinosaurs aren't mentioned and
we have fossils, how do you explain that?

>>

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:13:23 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:02 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>
>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>
>>>The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>
>>Doubt that.
>>
>The Devil is God's Angel.

Yet he must have freewill.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong
>>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>>
>>>>> It never has had.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>>
>>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.
>
>> No you are a Putin lover and desire the atheist State called the
>> USSR back.
>
>Prove it, fuckwit child.

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and
>>>>>>>>>>> murdered
>>>>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi
>>>>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former
>>>>>>>>>>> chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>>>>> report.
>>>>
>>>>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>>>>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.
>>
>>>> That is nothing even remotely like murder.
>>
>>> Doesn't matter
>>
>> Corse it does, we are discussing whether Biden has
>> murdered anyone or has had anyone murdered.

> I don't have access to that kind of iinfo.

Your problem.

> Do you?

The world does.

>>> does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.

>> Hardly what you might call news.

> Most news sources are biased.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you are drug crazed and drunk 24/7

>>>>> Social
>>>>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election..
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't happen with a murder.
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved
>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning'
>>>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president
>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:34:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
>>>>>>> self-preservation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>
>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>
>> Have fun showing that they are evil today.

> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.

That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.

It is very far from clear that whether they support the invasion
or not or even what lies they have been fed about the invasion
even if they do support it.

> You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.

I have never ever supported Putin, you stupid drug
crazed drunken fuckwit.

>>>>>> Nothing evil about that.
>>>>
>>>>>> You are just another arsehole god botherer that
>>>>>> wants to stamp out any other god botherers
>>>>>> whose stupid cult is different in detail to yours.
>>>>
>>>> He's right. Yes, I know that was me.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say
>>>>>>>>>> off-hand
>>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions
>>>>>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not even possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever
>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not
>>>>>>>>>> ethics.
>>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather
>>>>>>>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>>>>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> hotels.
>>>>>>>>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken
>>>>>>>>>> over -
>>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war
>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> stupid enough to do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
>>>>>>> dementia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>> Fraid so.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will
>>>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>>>> Putin off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time will tell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time has told, no one has actually been stupid enough to try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty did with Hitler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hitler and Nuclear war?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, Hitler had lots of attempts to kill him.
>>>
>>> OK
>>>>
>>>>> Tell us more.
>>>>
>>>> Just how many of you are there between those ears ?

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:20:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that
>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say
>>>>>>>>> off-hand
>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions
>>>>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever
>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower
>>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather
>>>>>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get
>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken
>>>>>>>>> over -
>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war
>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is
>>>>>>>> backed
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It never has had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>>>
>>>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>>>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>>>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>>>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.
>>
>>> No you are a Putin lover and desire the atheist State called the
>>> USSR back.
>>
>> Prove it, fuckwit child.
>
> Your words do,

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:11:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and
>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered
>>>>>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi
>>>>>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former
>>>>>>>>>>>> chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>>>>>> report.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>>>>>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.
>>>
>>>>> That is nothing even remotely like murder.
>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter
>>>
>>> Corse it does, we are discussing whether Biden has
>>> murdered anyone or has had anyone murdered.
>
>> I don't have access to that kind of iinfo.
>
>Your problem.
>
>> Do you?
>
>The world does.

Then you are talking about the current news organizations?
Pathetic.
>
>>>> does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.
>
>>> Hardly what you might call news.
>
>> Most news sources are biased.
>
>Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
>that you are drug crazed and drunk 24/7
>
>>>>>> Social
>>>>>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't happen with a murder.
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved
>>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning'
>>>>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:16:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:34:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
>>>>>>>> self-preservation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>>
>>> Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>
>> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.
>
>That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.

I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says. The
guy has dementia.
>
>It is very far from clear that whether they support the invasion
>or not or even what lies they have been fed about the invasion
>even if they do support it.

You lack proper sources it seems.
>
>> You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>
>I have never ever supported Putin, you stupid drug
>crazed drunken fuckwit.
Then you are just a troll.

snipped for space.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:19:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:20:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that
>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say
>>>>>>>>>> off-hand
>>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions
>>>>>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>>>>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever
>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or
>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower
>>>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather
>>>>>>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken
>>>>>>>>>> over -
>>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war
>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>>>>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is
>>>>>>>>> backed
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It never has had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>>>>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>>>>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>>>>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.
>>>
>>>> No you are a Putin lover and desire the atheist State called the
>>>> USSR back.
>>>
>>> Prove it, fuckwit child.
>>
>> Your words do,
>
>You never could bullshit and lie your way out of
>a wet paper bag, you stupid drug crazed drunken
>lying arsehole fuckwit.