Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> > > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>> > > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > >> > > > > >>>
>> > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > >> > > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > >> > > > > muse?
>> > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
>> > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > >> > > > > >>
>> > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
>> > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
>> > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
>> > >
>> > > > You're the only one obsessed
>> > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
>> > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
>> Only in your fantasies, little monkey
>
> It's in the archives

Your fantasies?

Yes:

> Time and time and time and time and time

<Snipped for brevity>

> time and time again.

No doubt.

🙂

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ~~
> > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >>> muse?
> > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > >>
> > >> Should she have?
> >
> >
> > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....
> Oh, really, which of my inner demons died

I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

and make him my war chieftain?
> sorry not sorry, the gallery couldn't resist

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:22:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> > > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >> > > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > >> > > > > muse?
> >> > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >> > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > >> > > > > >>
> >> > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> >> > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> >> > >
> >> > > > You're the only one obsessed
> >> > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> >> > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> >> Only in your fantasies, little monkey
> >
> > It's in the archives
> Your fantasies?
>
> Yes:
> > Time and time and time and time and time
> <Snipped for brevity>
>
> > time and time again.
>
> No doubt.

It's common knowledge that Stink's nose is permanently attached to your rump.

That's why you brought him here. Remember?

Michael Pendragon
"I'm talking about animal spirts."
-- Will Donkey, discussing his alternative to drinking Red Bull.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:22:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> > > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> > > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >
>> >> > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> >> > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> >> > > >> > > > > muse?
>> >> > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> >> > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
>> >> > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> >> > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> >> > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
>> >> > > >> > > > > >>
>> >> > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> >> > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
>> >> > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> >> > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> >> > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
>> >> > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
>> >> > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > You're the only one obsessed
>> >> > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
>> >> > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
>> >> Only in your fantasies, little monkey
>> >
>> > It's in the archives
>> Your fantasies?

<Snip>

> It's common knowledge

About your fantasies?

We know.

🙂

Michael Pendragon wrote:
> Zod wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >> > > > > muse?
> > > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> > > >
> > > > > You're the only one obsessed
> > > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> > > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> > Only in your fantasies, little monkey
> It's in the archives, Donkey. 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On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >> > > > > muse?
> > > > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity..
> > > > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > > > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're the only one obsessed
> > > > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> > > > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> > > Only in your fantasies, little monkey
> > It's in the archives, Donkey. 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> Wow, looks like a Pendragon melt down...!

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >> > > > > muse?
> > > > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity..
> > > > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > > > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're the only one obsessed
> > > > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> > > > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> > > Only in your fantasies, little monkey
> > It's in the archives, Donkey. 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> Wow, looks like a Pendragon melt down...!

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > >>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> ~~
> > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >>> muse?
> > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> Should she have?
> > >
> > >
> > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....
> > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
> I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.

Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously confused is a futile endeavor, so you shall have to suffer what you chose to so foolishly ignore....
But later after I tend to much more constructive matters. Despite your fantasizing about inferior me obsessing over you attention seeking carcass, you actually rate pretty low on my priority scale.

>
> HTH and HAND.
> and make him my war chieftain?
> > sorry not sorry, the gallery couldn't resist

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
> > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >>> muse?
> > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Should she have?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....
> > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
> > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
> Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously

When I'm obviously not interested?

We know.

:)

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
> > > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >>> muse?
> > > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Should she have?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
> When I'm obviously not interested?
>
> We know.

No it's obvious that you're obsessed, always so quick to sniff behind my posts and make a big deal of not caring about my so called "personal business"-- you don't know how many are snickering over that lack of understanding on your part... it wasn't business business, if you had half a wit.

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > > > >>> muse?
>> > > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
>> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Should she have?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
>> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
>> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
>> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
>> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
>> When I'm obviously not interested?
>>
>> We know.

> No it's obvious that you're obsessed

You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...

LOOK it UP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

******************************************************************

Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.

*****************************************************************

General-Zod wrote:

> Ash Wurthing wrote:

>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>> > > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>> > > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>> > > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>>> > > > > >>>>
>>> > > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>> > > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>> > > > > >>> muse?
>>> > > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
>>> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
>>> > > > > >>>>>
>>> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>>> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>>> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>> > > > > >>
>>> > > > > >> Should she have?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
>>> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
>>> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
>>> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
>>> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
>>> When I'm obviously not interested?
>>>
>>> We know.

>> No it's obvious that you're obsessed

> You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...

> LOOK it UP.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

> ******************************************************************

> Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping.[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.

> *****************************************************************

Nailed it.

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:11:39 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > > > >>> muse?
> >> > > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
> >> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> Should she have?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> >> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
> >> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
> >> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
> >> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
> >> When I'm obviously not interested?
> >>
> >> We know.
>
> > No it's obvious that you're obsessed
> You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...
>
> LOOK it UP.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>
> ******************************************************************
>
> Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping..[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.
>
> *****************************************************************

No one is obsessed with you, Donkey (General Stink excepted). We're sick to death of you. We only mention you at all because you bombard us with 100+ spam/troll posts a day.

If you were to die tomorrow (And may it please the gods to grant it!), you would not be missed. We'd throw a small celebration, and laugh about it for a couple of days, after which you'd simply be remembered much as the late, unlamented Pickles -- as an asshole we no longer have to deal with.

That is the sum total of your legacy,

Michael Pendragon
"Spenser definitely has grown on me, since I began viewing him as a figure that Terry Gilliam or Monty Python might come across in, say, Jabberwocky or The Holy Grail."
-- Will Dockery, demonstrating why he never made it through 8th grade… the second time.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:11:39 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>
>> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:43:08 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:40:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:44:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 1:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> postpoetry
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> ~~
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> >> > > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> >> > > > > >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> >> > > > > >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>> >> > > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> >> > > > > >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> >> > > > > >>> muse?
>> >> > > > > >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> >> > > > > >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
>> >> > > > > >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> >> > > > > >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> >> > > > > >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> >> > > > > >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> >> > > > > >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> >> > > > > >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> >> > > > > >>>>> teacher we once had here:
>> >> > > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > > >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> >> > > > > >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> >> > > > > >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> >> > > > > >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> >> > > > > >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
>> >> > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > >> Should she have?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
>> >> > > > > Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along.....
>> >> > > > Oh, really, which of my inner demons died
>> >> > > I'm not interested in your personal life, Ash.
>> >> > Well, trying to talk to you while you're so obviously
>> >> When I'm obviously not interested?
>> >>
>> >> We know.
>>
>> > No it's obvious that you're obsessed
>> You are doing what is known as "projecting", Ash, since YOU are clearly the obsessed one...
>>
>> LOOK it UP.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>>
>> ******************************************************************
>>
>> Psychological projection is the process of misinterpreting what is "inside" as coming from "outside".[1] It forms the basis of empathy by the projection of personal experiences to understand someone else's subjective world.[1] In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage.[2] A bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused may project feelings of confusion and inadequacy onto other people. Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping..[3] Projection has been described as an early phase of introjection.
>>
>> *****************************************************************

> No one is obsessed with you

I don't expect you to admit it, Pendragon, you whining little monkey.

🙂

> Michael Pendragon
> "Spenser definitely has grown on me, since I began viewing him as a figure that Terry Gilliam or Monty Python might come across in, say, Jabberwocky or The Holy Grail."
> -- Will Dockery

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>> muse?
> >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>
> >> Should she have?
>
>
> > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....

Pendragon never wanted peace, he's admitted that.

And so it goes.

Zod Zodly wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>>
>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>> >
>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>> fake story for NGBS.
>>
>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>>
>> <quote>
>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>> >
>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>> >
>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>> sensibilities).
>> </quote>
>>
>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>>
>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>> you should stop, for your own good.
>>
>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?

> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...

> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..

No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.

🙂

Will Dockery wrote:

> Zod Zodly wrote:

>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>>>
>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>>> >
>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>>> fake story for NGBS.
>>>
>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>>> >
>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>>> >
>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>>> sensibilities).
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>>>
>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>>> you should stop, for your own good.
>>>
>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?

>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...

>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..

> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.

> 🙂

Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 6:38:58 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Zod Zodly wrote:
>
> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> >>> >
> >>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> >>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> >>> fake story for NGBS.
> >>>
> >>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> >>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> >>>
> >>> <quote>
> >>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> >>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> >>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> >>> >
> >>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> >>> >
> >>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> >>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> >>> sensibilities).
> >>> </quote>
> >>>
> >>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> >>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> >>>
> >>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> >>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> >>> you should stop, for your own good.
> >>>
> >>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> >>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> >>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
>
> >> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
>
> >> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
>
>
> > No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
>
> > 🙂
> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!

Which of the Beatles has Tiny Tim's range, Stinkbum? Which of the Beatles has an immediately recognizable voice like Pat Boone?

Hell I can't tell one Beatle's voice from another's. Can you?

Each Beatle has a very distinctive voice, you probably haven't listened to many of their songs, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>> postpoetry
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ~~
>> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> >>>
>> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> >
>> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> muse?
>> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> >> teacher we once had here:
>> >>
>> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > That saying has been used too much here.
>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

> Should she have?

That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 9:37:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Each Beatle has a very distinctive voice, you probably haven't listened to many of their songs, Pendragon.

Every voice is unique, Donkey. But the Beatles' voices are not so unique that one can immediately recognize them. For example: anyone can immediately recognize Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, or Elvis Presley.

Only die-hard Beatles fans are going to recognize Paul McCartney or John Lennon.

They're simply not on that level -- vocally.

You're clueless, Pendragon.

Lennon and McCartney had very distinctive voices.

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You're clueless, Pendragon.
>
> Lennon and McCartney had very distinctive voices.

If someone played an unreleased tape of John Lennon singing "Happy Birthday to You" without any attribution, most people would fail to identify the singer.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 11:35:01 PM UTC-4, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 10:30:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > You're clueless, Pendragon.
> >
> > Lennon and McCartney had very distinctive voices.
> If someone played an unreleased tape of John Lennon singing "Happy Birthday to You" without any attribution, most people would fail to identify the singer.

I don't agree, John Lennon had a very distinctive voice, as does Paul McCartney.

My, my, Zod getting all fancy with attribution-- for he can't word it for himself!
Wasn't he one of the whiners going on about amateur pyschological diagnoses? While he was at Wikipedia, he shoulda also looked up hypocrisy!

"I know words. I have the best words."
General Zod, Will Dockery and Donald Trump

If it pleases the gods to grant it
It would satisfy me to see an end to Dockey's shit
For poetry, he is obviously unfit
he's here merely for the tat to the tit
Apparently he can't get any breast play any other way!
It seems to me that this entertains the gods
to subject all of us to Will and Zod
so I must get to work for I still owe my god.

I do not know you, whether you're vile or just erstwhile; but I believe that you do not possess the means, the
wiles to make real what you conceive...
And I'm sure you're outstanding to those that bought into what you bandy about. But the truth be told, I'm not
sold and I have doubts about what you rant about. So stop your insufferable shouting, you're just outing
yourself to be an loud mouthed lout.
(An Ode to the Fuck No to my Foes)

I see Zod sold his soul for musical taste superiority.
Hmmm, the uncool kid whining about being picked upon, but acting like a musical taste bigot himself. How even the lowly can fall to the call of their pride, too bad I couldn't count that as notch for me...

So many scars upon my fingers, their pain will always linger
a carved notch for every heinous deed, lest I forget,
and one carved on my wrist to my love called Regret
So when asked by those who would inquire so gingerly
I tell them that they're just work place injuries

And sWilly projecting about personal business...
Telling him that I will stop warring by my own decision and not someone else's isn't personal business but he doesn't care because he wants war, as he said I keep things in the group, that he apparently appreciates, moving...

Now this is personal business:
"My church is black, my Christ is cold
My cross is pale, all hope is gone
My church is black, my Christ is cold
My cross is pale, hell is my home
My church is black, my blood runs cold
The sun don't shine for me no more
Black is the moon, cold is the sun
Sing hallelujah, no Kingdom come"
--'My Church is Black' ~~Me and That Man

The mockery that is Dockery
all this deflection, projection and sockery
And I sold my soul for the lol
So as the "great" Dockery blows, it must go
so graciously, he keeps me gainfully employed