On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 8:28:30 PM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> > > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>> > > >> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>> > > >> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >- Frank Krygowski
>> > > >> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> > > >> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> > > >> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> > > >> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> > > >
>> > > >That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>> > > >to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> > > >
>> > > >> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> > > >> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> > > >
>> > > >OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> > > <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> > > lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> > > because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> > > couldn't come up witha response..
>> > Bad assumption.
>> > > >How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> > > >by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> > > >How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> > > >roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> > > >foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> > > >100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> > > >How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> > > <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> > > biking courage and experience.
>> > If you had done bike camping, you would know you are wrong. And organizing a multi-hundred
>> > rider event certainly does require experience and knowledge about cycling.
>> > > >Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> > > >really are more than mine.
>> > > <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> > > evaluation of my "courage and experience...
>> >
>> > Gosh, a day ago you were guessing you knew as much as I do!
>> >
>> > I will concede, you probably know more than I do about one aspect of cycling: hauling a tricycle
>> > around in a pickup truck and unloading it to ride back and forth on a bike path. But your lack of
>> > detailed response is adequate proof you know much less than I do about cycling.
>> >
>> > Again, perhaps that's fine for you. Do whatever it takes to keep yourself moving. But don't pretend to
>> > any real expertise regarding cycling.
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> There's shorthand for all that genteel outrage, Franki-boy. It's often called "cocks on the table."
>> >
>I think that is beyond Frank. He will have to ask John what that means and John won't be able to find it on Google.

No, I've already explained it. You and Andy... what nasty little boys
used to call "a circle jerk" and in more polite conversation is
refereed to as "mutual masturbation", or you pull mine and I'll pull
yours. And now the Afro-Irishman has come up with a new term.

Well, all I can say is, "Go to it guys. Have fun together."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:51:58 PM UTC-4, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.

Instead, I'd say not as well spoken. Blessedly, he's also not as verbose. But yes, they're of the same species.

- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:16:31 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> As I recall ...

Seriously, Tom, why doesn't make that phrase cause you to stop typing? You know as well as we all do
that your "memory" is worthless. You can't distinguish it from your imagination.

> John Forester wrote a book and on bicycle transportation and was therefore worshiped as a bicycling God. He seem OK to me but he was someone who spend the majority of his life in Berkeley and suffered from all of the extreme left foibles. He knew it all and no one else had a say in it. I liked him but it isn't as if I ever was able to get any rides with him since by the time I met him he was old and slow.

I've met Forester, corresponded with him quite a bit, ridden with him just a little when he was fairly young
and fit.

The gutter bunnies and "pathletes" who whine for "protected bike lanes everywhere" pretend Forester
invented his ideas out of thin air and somehow commanded that they be treated as laws. That's bullshit.
Forester was very influential among traffic engineers for one reason: He made sense. He was able to
analyze and explain the normal motions of traffic. He was able to understand traffic laws and their
implications. And he used those principles to clearly explain the weaknesses of typical bike facility
designs.

Those weaknesses have still not been corrected, largely because they cannot be corrected within
reasonable public funds budgets, and without immense costs regarding delay of traffic flow.
This has been shown by the bike segregation advocates demanding paint stripes for bike lanes;
then saying those are obviously inadequate and demanding buffer zones; then saying those are
obviously inadequate and demanding "protected" bike lanes; and now saying those are inadequate
without "protected" intersections - as if it's possible to "protect" every intersection with a cross
street or driveway in any city.

Forester, above all, thought it was critically important to retain our rights to ride normal roads.
Bike segregationalists are often willing to give that right up for "safety." If you ever ride on normal
roads, you should use the techniques Forester explained. And you should thank him.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:42:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >> have to visit any city.
> >
> >A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
> >into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
> >handgun.
> >
> >To a folk music concert!
> >
> >This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
> >stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
> >because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >
> >Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
> >with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
> >
> >- Frank Krygowski
> I like that.
>
> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> slobs.

He was fat. I didn't claim the typical gun fetishist was as fat as he was, but I'd bet on any particular
one being overweight. It's a safe bet. It's also a safe bet that any particular one was physically soft.
Guys who are confident of their ability to defend themselves physically probably feel no need for a gun.
But most of all, I'd bet on them being fearful. Why would you carry a concealed gun if you weren't
fearful?

Here we've heard from a guy who can't balance a bike, is so afraid of traffic he rides only on paths,
and is so feeble he gets dizzy rising up from his tricycle. He always packs a gun. Data point!

- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> No, I've already explained it. You and Andy... what nasty little boys
> used to call "a circle jerk" and in more polite conversation is
> refereed to as "mutual masturbation", or you pull mine and I'll pull
> yours. And now the Afro-Irishman has come up with a new term.
>
> Well, all I can say is, "Go to it guys. Have fun together."

Careful, please. You mis-typed "You and Andy" when you meant "You and Andre."

- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>> >>
>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>> >>
>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>> >>
>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>> >
>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>> >
>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>> >
>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>> >
>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>> >
>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>> >personal information?
>>>
>>Control.
>
>
>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>
>
>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>them what to do.

But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
like to give government money to people and organizations while the
Rightists do what? Not give money?

I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
national debt).

How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
by 60%!"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
>
> - Frank Krygowski
I agree with you.

There are way too many distracted drivers.

I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.

Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.

Andy

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 19:04:08 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:51:58 PM UTC-4, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.
>
>Instead, I'd say not as well spoken. Blessedly, he's also not as verbose. But yes, they're of the same species.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Biden says I'm dangerous, so "Booo!"

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>> >
>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>> >
>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>> >
>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>> >
>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>> >
>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>> >personal information?
>>>>
>>>Control.
>>
>>
>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>
>>
>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>them what to do.
>
>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>Rightists do what? Not give money?

Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.

>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>national debt).
>
>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>by 60%!"

How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:06:11 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:52:50 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> >>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> >>> have to visit any city.
>> >>
>> >>A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>> >>into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>> >>handgun.
>> >>
>> >>To a folk music concert!
>> >>
>> >>This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>> >>stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>> >>because he had personality conflicts with people.
>> >>
>> >>Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>> >>with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>> >>
>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> >I like that.
>> >
>> >You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>> >slobs.
>> >
>> >I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>> >braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>> >never tell the truth.
>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>
>No. Misinterpretation by you. Joe Biden clearly said the MAGA extremists of the Republican party were the dangerous ones.

Actually, he said that about MAGA Republicans..

"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that
threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Biden said.

> Obviously, sadly, others also chose to vote for Trump in 2016 and 2020. It is very similar to the somewhat recent abortion vote in Kansas. A vast majority of Kansans voted for Trump instead of Biden in 2020. Yet on the abortion vote, outlawing abortion in Kansas, a vast majority voted to not do that at all. Yet the Republicans politicians foam and froth at the mouth about the evil of abortion. Clearly, not all Republicans support that extreme view of abortion. A majority of Kansas, a heavily Republican state, think abortion should remain legal and not be outlawed. Therefore, it is possible to have Trump voters who are not the extremist MAGAs.

Depends on your, and Biden's definition of "extremist." Biden said
Maga Republicans are the extremists that threaten Democracy and I am a
registered Republican and I certainly want to make America great
again. It doesn't bother me, though. I know his foolish rhetoric will
work against him.

Biden, the leftist media, and the dipshit press secretary tried to
walk it back when they realized the stupidity of Biden's speech.

One has to wonder who exactly the lefties are referring to when they
speak of the "dangerous," folks who threaten Democracy. The fruitcakes
who invaded the Capitol didn't look very threatening.

To my mind, the BLM/Antifa freaks who burned and looted all over the
country are a bigger threat to me and to Democracy.

To my mind, the freaks that threaten the Supreme Court Justices are
more dangerous to Democracy. That includes the current Senate Majority
leader who threatened the Justices he didn't approve of.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ralph@invalid.com> wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>>> very large city. We ran
>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>>> us that he was carrying a
>>>> handgun.
>>>>
>>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>>
>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>>> manner. He had a special
>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>>> stopped playing with us
>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>>
>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>>> and very, very timid.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> I like that.
>>>
>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>> slobs.
>>>
>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>> never tell the truth.
>>
>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>>
>
>Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.

....or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.

>You, on the
>other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>firing.

No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
with a Hillary Clinton logo.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>
>>>>Control.
>>>
>>>
>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>
>>>
>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>them what to do.
>>
>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>
>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>
>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>national debt).
>>
>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>by 60%!"
>
>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.

But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?

Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
hides his head.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:42:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> >> have to visit any city.
>> >
>> >A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>> >into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>> >handgun.
>> >
>> >To a folk music concert!
>> >
>> >This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>> >stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>> >because he had personality conflicts with people.
>> >
>> >Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>> >with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>> >
>> >- Frank Krygowski
>> I like that.
>>
>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>> slobs.
>
>He was fat. I didn't claim the typical gun fetishist was as fat as he was, but I'd bet on any particular
>one being overweight. It's a safe bet. It's also a safe bet that any particular one was physically soft.
>Guys who are confident of their ability to defend themselves physically probably feel no need for a gun.
>But most of all, I'd bet on them being fearful. Why would you carry a concealed gun if you weren't
>fearful?
>
>Here we've heard from a guy who can't balance a bike, is so afraid of traffic he rides only on paths,
>and is so feeble he gets dizzy rising up from his tricycle. He always packs a gun. Data point!

<CHUCKLE> I have extremely low heart rate and blood pressure, probably
from years of physical activity and good eating habits. I have a watch
that moniters my heart rate 24/7. Birthday present from my son who
worried when I told him about the issue I describe below.

My HR is generally in the low to mid thirties when I sleep and rises
to mid forties after a couple cups of coffee. On typical bike rides,
my HR starts in the forties and rises, these days, to 130 or 140. I
generally lean forward off the seat back and let it drift slowly back
to under 100 before I try to stand. It's an issue some athletic people
have. Doctor says that my blood presssure drops because I'm sitting
and leaning back and when I stand, the blood pressure doesn't increase
fast enough. The blood pressure issue is usually solved as my HR
drops.

>- Frank Krygowski

I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
performance even though I'm 78 years old. I've also just explained
above that I'm probably much heathier than he, and that should make
him hate me more. It seems he's a very jealous type.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 21:05:08 -0700 (PDT), AK
<scientist77017@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>I agree with you.
>
>There are way too many distracted drivers.
>
>I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>
>Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.
>
>Andy

Actually, Krygowski is going to hate you for saying that.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Control.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>them what to do.
>>>
>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>
>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>
>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>national debt).
>>>
>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>by 60%!"
>>
>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>
>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?

As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.

>Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>hides his head.

Communism is easy to define. Look it up...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:

> I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
> performance even though I'm 78 years old.

Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.

I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
call you an imposter.

Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 13:05:24 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>
>> I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>> performance even though I'm 78 years old.
>
>Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
>as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.

I've mentioned my current riding stats more several times, along with
some from my past. Currently. I try to ride two or three times a week
and go at least 40 and sometimes 50, occasionally 60 miles. Average
speed is 14 MPH on good days and 12.5 when it's windy. What I consider
my best year since I've been keeping stats (2011) was 2014 when I rode
over 4500 miles, averaging 15.6 MPH. That included a three day, 200
mile, trip from Key Largo to Key West, "camping," albeit in state
parks, along the way. I don't consider public camp grounds as camping.
BTW, I turned 70 years old that year. I was riding a Catrike that,
stripped down, weighed 35 lbs and at the time, I weighed in at 235.
Shameful weight, but at least I never went over a 38 inch waist.
Today, I've leaned down to 200 and am back at the 35/36 waistline I
had when I played (not very well) college football. (linebacker and
defensive tackle).

That enough infor for you?

>I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
>a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
>whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
>call you an imposter.
>
>Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"

One of my "hobbies" is pissing people off.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>
> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
>
> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
> call you an imposter.
>
> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"

What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.

Lou

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>>
>> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
>> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
>> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
>>
>> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
>> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
>> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
>> call you an imposter.
>>
>> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
>
>
>What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
>
>Lou

Krygowski has suggested that my riding is inferior to his own, yet
unlike what I've done, he's not posted his current ridings stats to
back that up.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>>>> very large city. We ran
>>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>>>> us that he was carrying a
>>>>> handgun.
>>>>>
>>>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>>>
>>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>>>> manner. He had a special
>>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>>>> stopped playing with us
>>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>>>> and very, very timid.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>> I like that.
>>>>
>>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>>> slobs.
>>>>
>>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>>> never tell the truth.
>>>
>>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>>>
>>
>> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
>
> ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
> human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
>

You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
long walk.

>> You, on the
>> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>> firing.
>
> No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
> with a Hillary Clinton logo.
>

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ralph@invalid.com> wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>>>>> very large city. We ran
>>>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>>>>> us that he was carrying a
>>>>>> handgun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>>>>> manner. He had a special
>>>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>>>>> stopped playing with us
>>>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>>>>> and very, very timid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>>> I like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>>>> slobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>>>> never tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>>>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>>> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
>>
>> ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
>> human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
>>
>
>You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
>long walk.

Why couldn't they ride their bicycles?

>>> You, on the
>>> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>>> firing.
>>
>> No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
>> with a Hillary Clinton logo.
>>
>
>

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:12:57 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >>>> have to visit any city.
> >>>
> >>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
> >>> very large city. We ran
> >>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
> >>> us that he was carrying a
> >>> handgun.
> >>>
> >>> To a folk music concert!
> >>>
> >>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
> >>> manner. He had a special
> >>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
> >>> stopped playing with us
> >>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >>>
> >>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
> >>> muscular Rambo "good guy
> >>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
> >>> and very, very timid.
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>
> >> I like that.
> >>
> >> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> >> slobs.
> >>
> >> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
> >> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
> >> never tell the truth.
> >
> > Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> > says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
> >
> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start. You, on the
> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
> firing.

In our Constitution is the right to bear arms. That was put there directly AFTER we fought a war of independence and everyone knew the value of guns. And that would mean that people are being shot all of the time. Well it turns out that virtually ALL shootings are by people who have lost the right to own firearms. That makes owning and carrying a gun is a matter of self protection. German firearm manufacturers supply a lot of the guns sold in this country and virtually none used in crimes.

I suppose that Europeans have a different viewpoint but then you actually like the idea of open borders and the right of anyone from anywhere to enter your country and take over your country.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 2:33:35 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:42:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >> >> have to visit any city.
> >> >
> >> >A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
> >> >into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
> >> >handgun.
> >> >
> >> >To a folk music concert!
> >> >
> >> >This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
> >> >stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
> >> >because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >> >
> >> >Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
> >> >with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
> >> >
> >> >- Frank Krygowski
> >> I like that.
> >>
> >> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> >> slobs.
> >
> >He was fat. I didn't claim the typical gun fetishist was as fat as he was, but I'd bet on any particular
> >one being overweight. It's a safe bet. It's also a safe bet that any particular one was physically soft.
> >Guys who are confident of their ability to defend themselves physically probably feel no need for a gun.
> >But most of all, I'd bet on them being fearful. Why would you carry a concealed gun if you weren't
> >fearful?
> >
> >Here we've heard from a guy who can't balance a bike, is so afraid of traffic he rides only on paths,
> >and is so feeble he gets dizzy rising up from his tricycle. He always packs a gun. Data point!
> <CHUCKLE> I have extremely low heart rate and blood pressure, probably
> from years of physical activity and good eating habits. I have a watch
> that moniters my heart rate 24/7. Birthday present from my son who
> worried when I told him about the issue I describe below.
>
> My HR is generally in the low to mid thirties when I sleep and rises
> to mid forties after a couple cups of coffee. On typical bike rides,
> my HR starts in the forties and rises, these days, to 130 or 140. I
> generally lean forward off the seat back and let it drift slowly back
> to under 100 before I try to stand. It's an issue some athletic people
> have. Doctor says that my blood presssure drops because I'm sitting
> and leaning back and when I stand, the blood pressure doesn't increase
> fast enough. The blood pressure issue is usually solved as my HR
> drops.
>
>
> >- Frank Krygowski
>
> I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
> performance even though I'm 78 years old. I've also just explained
> above that I'm probably much heathier than he, and that should make
> him hate me more. It seems he's a very jealous type.

I have exactly the same problem. Sometimes when I stand up rapidly my blood pressure is too low and I have to brace myself until it gets up to 70 or so. When I said that here the stupid six said that was impossible, that I was lying and no human could possibly survive that. The sheer ignorance of the stupid six show with every one of their postings. I've spent the last 50 years riding bicycles, racing motorcycles or sailing medium size boats. All of it required physical endurance. That these others do not have low heart rates says and awful lot either about their actual physical exercise or their probable lifespan. I expect Liebermann to disappear suddenly from the group at any minute. He is so sick that I expect he is on heart medication full time.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 07:51:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 2:33:35 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 19:25:23 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:42:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> >> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> >> >> have to visit any city.
>> >> >
>> >> >A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>> >> >into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>> >> >handgun.
>> >> >
>> >> >To a folk music concert!
>> >> >
>> >> >This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>> >> >stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>> >> >because he had personality conflicts with people.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>> >> >with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>> >> >
>> >> >- Frank Krygowski
>> >> I like that.
>> >>
>> >> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>> >> slobs.
>> >
>> >He was fat. I didn't claim the typical gun fetishist was as fat as he was, but I'd bet on any particular
>> >one being overweight. It's a safe bet. It's also a safe bet that any particular one was physically soft.
>> >Guys who are confident of their ability to defend themselves physically probably feel no need for a gun.
>> >But most of all, I'd bet on them being fearful. Why would you carry a concealed gun if you weren't
>> >fearful?
>> >
>> >Here we've heard from a guy who can't balance a bike, is so afraid of traffic he rides only on paths,
>> >and is so feeble he gets dizzy rising up from his tricycle. He always packs a gun. Data point!
>> <CHUCKLE> I have extremely low heart rate and blood pressure, probably
>> from years of physical activity and good eating habits. I have a watch
>> that moniters my heart rate 24/7. Birthday present from my son who
>> worried when I told him about the issue I describe below.
>>
>> My HR is generally in the low to mid thirties when I sleep and rises
>> to mid forties after a couple cups of coffee. On typical bike rides,
>> my HR starts in the forties and rises, these days, to 130 or 140. I
>> generally lean forward off the seat back and let it drift slowly back
>> to under 100 before I try to stand. It's an issue some athletic people
>> have. Doctor says that my blood presssure drops because I'm sitting
>> and leaning back and when I stand, the blood pressure doesn't increase
>> fast enough. The blood pressure issue is usually solved as my HR
>> drops.
>>
>>
>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>
>> I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>> performance even though I'm 78 years old. I've also just explained
>> above that I'm probably much heathier than he, and that should make
>> him hate me more. It seems he's a very jealous type.
>
>I have exactly the same problem. Sometimes when I stand up rapidly my blood pressure is too low and I have to brace myself until it gets up to 70 or so. When I said that here the stupid six said that was impossible, that I was lying and no human could possibly survive that. The sheer ignorance of the stupid six show with every one of their postings. I've spent the last 50 years riding bicycles, racing motorcycles or sailing medium size boats. All of it required physical endurance. That these others do not have low heart rates says and awful lot either about their actual physical exercise or their probable lifespan. I expect Liebermann to disappear suddenly from the group at any minute. He is so sick that I expect he is on heart medication full time.

It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:54:29 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> >>
> >> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
> >> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
> >> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
> >> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
> >>
> >> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
> >> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
> >> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
> >> call you an imposter.
> >>
> >> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
> >
> >
> >What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
> >
> >Lou
> Krygowski has suggested that my riding is inferior to his own, yet
> unlike what I've done, he's not posted his current ridings stats to
> back that up.

Well, that isn't the point is it? If he rides more or less that is his business. The complaint is that he wants to tell others how they should ride.