On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:21:37 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> > <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >>>>>> have to visit any city.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
> >>>>> very large city. We ran
> >>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
> >>>>> us that he was carrying a
> >>>>> handgun.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To a folk music concert!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
> >>>>> manner. He had a special
> >>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
> >>>>> stopped playing with us
> >>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
> >>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
> >>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
> >>>>> and very, very timid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>
> >>>> I like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> >>>> slobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
> >>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
> >>>> never tell the truth.
> >>>
> >>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> >>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
> >> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
> >
> > ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
> > human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
> >
> You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
> long walk.
> >> You, on the
> >> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
> >> firing.
> >
> > No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
> > with a Hillary Clinton logo.
> >

You do know that they highjacked four airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon don't you? That makes them very close in my book. My childhood friend was stationed in the Pentagon but luckily not in the area struck. He thinks so highly of the present leadership that he retired and moved to Okinawa. And that is from someone that know what is going on.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM UTC-4, AK wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
> >
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> I agree with you.
>
> There are way too many distracted drivers.
>
> I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>
> Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.
>
> Andy

You may want to look up the data on sidewalk safety vs. roadway safety. While there probably
are unusual places where sidewalks are safer, on average they are much more dangerous. The
data is out there.

Anecdote: Once, many years ago, I was trying to buy an unusual cord for a microphone. I rode
my bike during rush hour from work to a particular music store along an arterial I don't normally
use much. The music store didn't have what I needed.

Two driveways further along, there was an electronics store. I looked at the heavily crowded
road and thought "It's just a couple hundred feet. I'll use the sidewalk instead."

At the only driveway between me and the electronics store, a driver whipped in. If I'd been ten seconds
faster I think he'd have gotten me.

What "feels" safer is often not safer at all. If you ride sidewalks, stay on very high alert.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:54:29 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> >> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>> >>
>> >> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>> >> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
>> >> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
>> >> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
>> >> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
>> >> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
>> >> call you an imposter.
>> >>
>> >> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
>> >
>> >
>> >What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> Krygowski has suggested that my riding is inferior to his own, yet
>> unlike what I've done, he's not posted his current ridings stats to
>> back that up.
>
>Well, that isn't the point is it? If he rides more or less that is his business. The complaint is that he wants to tell others how they should ride.

When somebody starts slandering somebody else's bicycle riding, his
own riding is no longer just his own business.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM UTC-4, AK wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
>> >
>> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> I agree with you.
>>
>> There are way too many distracted drivers.
>>
>> I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>>
>> Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.
>>
>> Andy
>
>You may want to look up the data on sidewalk safety vs. roadway safety. While there probably
>are unusual places where sidewalks are safer, on average they are much more dangerous. The
>data is out there.
>
>Anecdote: Once, many years ago, I was trying to buy an unusual cord for a microphone. I rode
>my bike during rush hour from work to a particular music store along an arterial I don't normally
>use much. The music store didn't have what I needed.
>
>Two driveways further along, there was an electronics store. I looked at the heavily crowded
>road and thought "It's just a couple hundred feet. I'll use the sidewalk instead."
>
>At the only driveway between me and the electronics store, a driver whipped in. If I'd been ten seconds
>faster I think he'd have gotten me.
>
>What "feels" safer is often not safer at all. If you ride sidewalks, stay on very high alert.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Good thing that you're so slow, Frank.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
[Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]

FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?

"Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
really are more than mine."

Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years, and will continue to do
so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian friend who occasionally
visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close to keeping up with me,
especially on hills.)

My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as overweight as you have been
and still are. I can rise out of a chair or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I don't need a tricycle
to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm certainly not timid enough
to need a gun while riding.

Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of places I have. You haven't
done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You make no mention of
utility or transportational use of a bike, so I assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV interviews regarding it.

We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that everybody is just as
knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine confining yourself to dead flat
linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling too afraid. If that's
what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has a motor which your avoided
mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:22:17 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:54:29 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> >> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
> >> >> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
> >> >> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
> >> >> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
> >> >> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
> >> >> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
> >> >> call you an imposter.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> Krygowski has suggested that my riding is inferior to his own, yet
> >> unlike what I've done, he's not posted his current ridings stats to
> >> back that up.
> >
> >Well, that isn't the point is it? If he rides more or less that is his business. The complaint is that he wants to tell others how they should ride.
> When somebody starts slandering somebody else's bicycle riding, his
> own riding is no longer just his own business.
That is true and Francis (his real name) makes the business of anyone and everyone else his own.

On 9/13/2022 9:05 PM, AK wrote:

<snip>

> There are way too many distracted drivers.
>
> I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>
> Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.

The "drivers drifting out of their lane" issue is one of the major
reasons municipalities install protected bicycle lanes as an upgrade to
painted bicycle lanes (or install them where no bicycle lane previously
existed).

For a short time, after we installed some protected bicycle lanes in my
city, there were a few complaints by drivers about how the traffic lanes
were now "too narrow." But the reality was that the vehicle lanes were
the same width as before, but the ability to drift into the bicycle lane
was gone (or to use it for parking, as a right turn lane, as a passing
lane around left-turning traffic, or as an additional vehicle lane).
There were a couple of complaints by drivers who had hit the concrete
divider and suffered flat tires.

One of the unintended side-benefits of protected bicycle lanes is that
they are also a traffic calming measure since they cause vehicles to
drive slower, and more carefully.

The danger of a right-hook is still there, whether the cyclist is on the
shoulder, in a painted bike lane, or in a protected bike lane. There are
ways to mitigate this danger with a system of traffic lights that gives
cyclists a separate green light, combined with a prohibition of right on
red.

The issue of a driver exiting a driveway, side street, or parking lot,
in front of a cyclist riding at high speed is also still an issue, but
that can be mitigated by the use of DRLs on bicycles, which fortunately
have become pretty common, at least in my area.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM UTC-4, AK wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
>> >
>> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> I agree with you.
>>
>> There are way too many distracted drivers.
>>
>> I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>>
>> Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.
>>
>> Andy
>
>You may want to look up the data on sidewalk safety vs. roadway safety. While there probably
>are unusual places where sidewalks are safer, on average they are much more dangerous. The
>data is out there.
>
>Anecdote: Once, many years ago, I was trying to buy an unusual cord for a microphone. I rode
>my bike during rush hour from work to a particular music store along an arterial I don't normally
>use much. The music store didn't have what I needed.
>
>Two driveways further along, there was an electronics store. I looked at the heavily crowded
>road and thought "It's just a couple hundred feet. I'll use the sidewalk instead."
>
>At the only driveway between me and the electronics store, a driver whipped in. If I'd been ten seconds
>faster I think he'd have gotten me.
>
>What "feels" safer is often not safer at all. If you ride sidewalks, stay on very high alert.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

This claim to riding on sidewalks seems rather strange. Unless, of
course you are riding in some remote area where there are hardly any
people. See
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/bangkok-thailand-january-27-2020-unidentified-1631316412
--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>>> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>>>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>>>>>> very large city. We ran
>>>>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>>>>>> us that he was carrying a
>>>>>>> handgun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>>>>>> manner. He had a special
>>>>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>>>>>> stopped playing with us
>>>>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>>>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>>>>>> and very, very timid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>>>>> slobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>>>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>>>>> never tell the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>>>>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>>>> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
>>>
>>> ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
>>> human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
>>>
>>
>> You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
>> long walk.
>
> Why couldn't they ride their bicycles?
>

The ocean would tend to slow them down quite a bit.

>>>> You, on the
>>>> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>>>> firing.
>>>
>>> No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
>>> with a Hillary Clinton logo.
>>>
>>
>>
>

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:22:17 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:12:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:54:29 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> >> >> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>> >> >> > performance even though I'm 78 years old.
>> >> >> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
>> >> >> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
>> >> >> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
>> >> >> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
>> >> >> call you an imposter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lou
>> >> Krygowski has suggested that my riding is inferior to his own, yet
>> >> unlike what I've done, he's not posted his current ridings stats to
>> >> back that up.
>> >
>> >Well, that isn't the point is it? If he rides more or less that is his business. The complaint is that he wants to tell others how they should ride.
>> When somebody starts slandering somebody else's bicycle riding, his
>> own riding is no longer just his own business.
> That is true and Francis (his real name) makes the business of anyone and everyone else his own.

His name is Francis??? So what, the Catholic Church even had a Pope
named Francis.

But Tom? We all know about him. Why he's famous, there is even a
Wikipedia post about him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom,_Tom,_the_Piper%27s_Son
And even a youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIhUIe8s_ek
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:

No, Frank, it began when you demeaned my courage and experience
because I choose not to ride on highway bike lanes. What followed
(below) was your ridiculous demands for information.

Simply stated, Frank, I don't take orders from assholes who disrespect
me. Damn, I hate the word "disrespect."

>CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>[Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>
>FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>
>"Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>really are more than mine."
>
>Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years, and will continue to do
>so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian friend who occasionally
>visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close to keeping up with me,
>especially on hills.)
>
>My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours.

How long ago? How old were you. I was 70. Why don't you post specifics
so we can judge for ourselves if you had a better year than me.

If you haven't done a double
>century, my longest one day ride beats yours.

I did 143 at age 68.

>I'm not nearly as overweight as you have been
>and still are.

Nonsense. It's called muscles, Frank. Heavy work on the family farm. I
was tossing 60 lbs hay bales five high on the hay rack when I was 14.
Oh, and one row down the middle on top.

I still have a 48 inch chest. I still have 23 inch quads, and not a
spec of fat on them or my calves. I admit to not being rock hard
around the middle, but I never was. Never had love handles, though.
Never had belly hang, even when I was a few lbs heavier.

Fact is, I not only can outride you, I can do any physical activity
better than you.

> I can rise out of a chair or up off the floor with no problems -

Me too, I don't do squats at the gym anymore because of balance
problems, (Inner ear damage, terrible tinnitus) but I do 500 lb leg
presses, down from 600 a few years ago. I have very good arms, very
big tris. I don't press anymore because of shoulder joint problems but
I pressed 300 lbs when I was in my sixties.

Here's a photo of me in 1995, three years before I sold my business
and moved to Florida. That was in Puerto Valletta. I was 51. You judge
if I was fat. I'm pretty sure I had a 36 waist then. I have no idea
how much I weighed. Look at the quads. Can you match 'em?

https://tinyurl.com/5vw9k8wr

> something I'd never
>bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that.

No whines, Frank, only honesty. I'm rather proud of my low heart rate
and low blood pressure. How about you. Does your doctor tell that he
wished he had your heart. Mine does, and he's physical fitness nut.

>I don't need a tricycle
>to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm certainly not timid enough
>to need a gun while riding.

Try a recumbent, Frank. Sit six inches off the ground and ride through
a homeless neighborhood. I have. I was attacked once, yes, it was on a
bike trail in a wildernesses area known for homeless people. Ripped my
shirt when I charged him.

>Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of places I have. You haven't
>done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You make no mention of
>utility or transportational use of a bike, so I assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV interviews regarding it.

Yeah, but then you're a one trick pony. I, on the other hand, had and
have ton of activities. I rode motorcycles all of the country.
here's the Yamaha the Yamaha Virago on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Over
the years I owned six different motorcycles. That's camping gear on
the back.
https://tinyurl.com/bdh3aysy

I raced cars (not very well) trying and failing to match my
outstanding performance racing go-karts as a teenager. Had to overhaul
the old Triumph Spitfire I bought. I'd already done some engine
building so I knew how. I finished third one time.

I owned and rode several horses over the years I owned and rode
snowmobiles, I scuba dived, owned and sailed three sailboats, 19',21',
and 36'. Lived on the last one for a few years. I owned two different
motorboats. 14' and 18'. Today, we kayak on the ocean and walk on
isolated sandbars and beaches. We snorkel a bit but no longer dive. My
wife takes her metal detector while I just cruise along the bottom. No
treasure yet, but two really nice watches and a pair of raybans that
now have new lenses.

I wrote and published seven books. very far from being best sellers,
but I made a few bucks on each of them. Under my own name, so I won't
be showing you.

I ran several small hobby businesses after I retired. I had a little
bike shop, I wrote software, C++, I built websites, I played guitar,
piano, and sang as a volunteer in assisted living and nursing homes.
Country, western, rock amd roll, and religious.

I never had an inclination to go to europe, but I traveled a lot in
the Carribean and Mexico. Some by car, some by boat (mine), and some
by motorcycle.

You see, Frank, when it comes to courage and experience, you're not
even in the running.

>We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that everybody is just as
>knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine confining yourself to dead flat
>linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling too afraid. If that's
>what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has a motor which your avoided
>mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)

<LOL> No Frank, I'll never use a motor on my bike. I outperform you
fine enough without one.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 23:55:52 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ralph@invalid.com> wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>>>> <ralph@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>>>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>>>>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>>>>>>> very large city. We ran
>>>>>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>>>>>>> us that he was carrying a
>>>>>>>> handgun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>>>>>>> manner. He had a special
>>>>>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>>>>>>> stopped playing with us
>>>>>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>>>>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>>>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>>>>>>> and very, very timid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>>>>>> slobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>>>>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>>>>>> never tell the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>>>>>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>>>>> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
>>>>
>>>> ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
>>>> human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
>>> long walk.
>>
>> Why couldn't they ride their bicycles?
>>
>
>The ocean would tend to slow them down quite a bit.

True, but I heard some of them learned how to fly. Not to land, just
to fly.

>>>>> You, on the
>>>>> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>>>>> firing.
>>>>
>>>> No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
>>>> with a Hillary Clinton logo.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:21:37 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>> > <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> >>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> >>>>>> have to visit any city.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>> >>>>> very large city. We ran
>> >>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>> >>>>> us that he was carrying a
>> >>>>> handgun.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To a folk music concert!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>> >>>>> manner. He had a special
>> >>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>> >>>>> stopped playing with us
>> >>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>> >>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>> >>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>> >>>>> and very, very timid.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I like that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>> >>>> slobs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>> >>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>> >>>> never tell the truth.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>> >>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
>> >> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
>> >
>> > ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
>> > human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
>> >
>> You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
>> long walk.
>> >> You, on the
>> >> other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
>> >> firing.
>> >
>> > No, my wife forbids me to do that unless, of course, it's somebody
>> > with a Hillary Clinton logo.
>> >
>
>You do know that they highjacked four airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon don't you? That makes them very close in my book. My childhood friend was stationed in the Pentagon but luckily not in the area struck. He thinks so highly of the present leadership that he retired and moved to Okinawa. And that is from someone that know what is going on.

Are saying that the Teliban were the terrorists that perpetrated the
9/11 thing? And all the time I had thought it was "al Qaeda", the
group sponsored by Osama Bin Ladin.

And moved to Okinawa? Married to a Japanese girl?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>
>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>
>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>
>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>national debt).
>>>>
>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>by 60%!"
>>>
>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>
>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>
>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>

Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
the roadists unless there is a left and right,

But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
compensation for their losses.

>>Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>hides his head.
>
>
>Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
--
Cheers,

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 9:38:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:12:57 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> > >>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> > >>>> have to visit any city.
> > >>>
> > >>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
> > >>> very large city. We ran
> > >>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
> > >>> us that he was carrying a
> > >>> handgun.
> > >>>
> > >>> To a folk music concert!
> > >>>
> > >>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
> > >>> manner. He had a special
> > >>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
> > >>> stopped playing with us
> > >>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
> > >>> muscular Rambo "good guy
> > >>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
> > >>> and very, very timid.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >>
> > >> I like that.
> > >>
> > >> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> > >> slobs.
> > >>
> > >> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
> > >> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
> > >> never tell the truth.
> > >
> > > Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> > > says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
> > >
> > Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
> > need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start. You, on the
> > other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
> > firing.
> In our Constitution is the right to bear arms. That was put there directly AFTER we fought a war of independence and everyone knew the value of guns.. And that would mean that people are being shot all of the time.

The literal, Federalist, interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is the states are guaranteed the right to have a militia with arms. Sadly, the Federalist judges only use that schtick for their pet projects. Its not a uniform application. 19,384 firearm homicides in 2020. Trump was president then. That works out to one murder every 2 hours 12 minutes. Is that "all of the time"?

> Well it turns out that virtually ALL shootings are by people who have lost the right to own firearms.

This is old, from 2006. But I'm guessing the data is still relevant today.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/ascii/vfluc.txt
* Thirty-six percent of violent felons had an active
criminal justice status at the time of their arrest.
This included 18% on probation, 12% on release
pending disposition of a prior case, and 7% on
parole.

* Seventy percent of violent felons had a prior arrest
record, and 57% had at least one prior arrest for a
felony. Sixty-seven percent of murderers and 73% of
those convicted of robbery or assault had an arrest
record.

* A majority (56%) of violent felons had a prior
conviction record. Thirty-eight percent had a prior
felony conviction and 15% had a previous conviction
for a violent felony.

This study talks about violent felons. Not all violent felonies are murder.. Rape and assault are not murder, but still violent. But violent felon and murder are probably similar.
To summarize:
36% were actively in the system at the time of the crime.
67% of murderers had been arrested before. But maybe not charged or convicted.
56% of violent felons had a felony conviction. Preventing them from legally owning a gun.

So Tommy says "virtually ALL shootings are by people who have lost the right to own firearms." is very incorrect. As of 2006, only about 56%, slightly above half, of violent felons had lost their right to have a firearm. Half right Tommy. Half wrong Tommy.

> That makes owning and carrying a gun is a matter of self protection. German firearm manufacturers supply a lot of the guns sold in this country and virtually none used in crimes.

Walther and Heckler & Koch are the two main German gun manufacturers. I don't know if good records are kept of the brand of gun used in crimes is kept anywhere. So I do not know if we can say virtually none were used in crimes or not. But I'm not sure why Tommy segwayed to German gun makers. As for owning and carrying a gun for self protection, there are lots of exaggerations involved here. But no hard facts for the whole country. There are some actual real life stories. Andy has noted several already. The woman in West Virginia who shot a man with an AR-15. The Indiana mall person who shot a killer. But how do you extrapolate that to "a matter of self protection" for the whole 330 million population of the USA.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/06/andy-biggs/no-government-data-does-not-say-defensive-gun-use-/

>
> I suppose that Europeans have a different viewpoint but then you actually like the idea of open borders and the right of anyone from anywhere to enter your country and take over your country.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

> Two driveways further along, there was an electronics store. I looked at the heavily crowded
> road and thought "It's just a couple hundred feet. I'll use the sidewalk instead."
>
> At the only driveway between me and the electronics store, a driver whipped in. If I'd been ten seconds
> faster I think he'd have gotten me.

Ditto, save that I'd pulled off onto the sidewalk to fiddle with the
bike or read a text or something, and didn't want to lift the bike
over the curb to get back into the roadway.

I do ride on one certain sidewalk whenever the roundabout construction
makes the street difficult or impossible, and I used to use it to
avoid waiting for a red light.

But this walkway runs along the lake shore; the first place where a
driver not bent on suicide (and unaware of how shallow the water is
along there) could turn across my path is *after* the place where I
use a parking-lot entrance to get back into the street.

---------------

Today's paper says that I'm going to use the sidewalk to get out of
town on Friday and Saturday. King's Highway is going to be torn up
for four to six weeks starting tomorrow (Thursday), and Park Avenue
will be one-way in. I can dismount at the corner and walk all the way
to McKinley, and there was no talk of closing McKinley -- though on
several occasions it's been backed up well past Durbin when Argonne
was torn up.

There have also been several times when the sidewalk was closed, but
I'm pretty sure they are all done with that -- the current patch looks
like something they don't plan to dig up again.

Cars will have to go all the way to 250 E, and come back on US 30,
which is farther than I plan to go once on Winona Avenue. Well, on
Friday, I'm hoping to go somewhere after my tooth cleaning; perhaps
I'll pack a lunch, eat it in Tippy Park, and come back by Parks-Schram
and Crystal Lake.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
(Page not currently being maintained because of crippled computer.)

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:54:18 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>>>><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> >>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> >>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> >>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> >>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you..
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
> >>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>>>>>> >personal information?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Control.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>>>>them what to do.
> >>>>
> >>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>>
> >>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>>
> >>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>>>national debt).
> >>>>
> >>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>>>by 60%!"
> >>>
> >>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>
> >>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >
> >As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >
> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>
> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> compensation for their losses.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:44:10 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:54:18 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> >>>>><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>> >>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>> >>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>> >>>>>>> >>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>> >>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>> >>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> >>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> >>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> >>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> >>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >>>>>>> >personal information?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Control.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>> >>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>> >>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>> >>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>> >>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>> >>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>> >>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>> >>>>>them what to do.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>> >>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>> >>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>> >>>
>> >>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>> >>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>> >>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>> >>>
>> >>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>> >>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>> >>>>national debt).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>> >>>>by 60%!"
>> >>>
>> >>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>> >>
>> >>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>> >>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>> >>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>> >
>> >As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> >government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> >the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> >referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>> >
>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>
>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> compensation for their losses.
>
>John, you are wrong by a factor of 10.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
>"Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day."
>
You seem to be references ALL subsides to farmers. The 4.7million I
mentioned was a special pay off to soybean farmers because of the
Chinese ban which was in response to the U.S. ban or increase in
duties on some Chinese goods.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM UTC-4, AK wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 1:04:26 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
> >
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> I agree with you.
>
> There are way too many distracted drivers.
>
> I can not count the number of times I see drivers drifting out of their lane.
>
> Which is why I ride on the sidewalks. I feel much safer doing so.
>
> Andy

Not sure why one would deem riding on sidewalks as safer unless you could guarantee there were no pedestrians. In fact, it's so much of an issue in my area that most towns around me specifically ban riding bikes on the sidewalks.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:20:17 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:21:37 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:12:53 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> > > <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >>>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> > >>>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> > >>>>>> have to visit any city.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
> > >>>>> very large city. We ran
> > >>>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
> > >>>>> us that he was carrying a
> > >>>>> handgun.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> To a folk music concert!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
> > >>>>> manner. He had a special
> > >>>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
> > >>>>> stopped playing with us
> > >>>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
> > >>>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
> > >>>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
> > >>>>> and very, very timid.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I like that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> > >>>> slobs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
> > >>>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
> > >>>> never tell the truth.
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> > >>> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
> > >> need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start.
> > >
> > > ...or they could just sneak across the border like all the drug and
> > > human trafficers. I wonder how many have already done that.
> > >
> > You do know where the Taliban is headquartered, don’t you? It’s a REALLY
> > long walk.
> > >
> You do know that they highjacked four airliners and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon don't you?

Gee, that was the Taliban? I thought it was Al-Qaeda! We learn something new from tommy every day!

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 20:01:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>
>No, Frank, it began when you demeaned my courage and experience
>because I choose not to ride on highway bike lanes. What followed
>(below) was your ridiculous demands for information.
>
>Simply stated, Frank, I don't take orders from assholes who disrespect
>me. Damn, I hate the word "disrespect."
>
>>CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>>[Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>
>>FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>
>>"Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>really are more than mine."
>>
>>Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years, and will continue to do
>>so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>>actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian friend who occasionally
>>visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close to keeping up with me,
>>especially on hills.)
>>
>>My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours.
>
>How long ago? How old were you. I was 70. Why don't you post specifics
>so we can judge for ourselves if you had a better year than me.
>
>If you haven't done a double
>>century, my longest one day ride beats yours.
>
>I did 143 at age 68.
>
>>I'm not nearly as overweight as you have been
>>and still are.
>
>Nonsense. It's called muscles, Frank. Heavy work on the family farm. I
>was tossing 60 lbs hay bales five high on the hay rack when I was 14.
>Oh, and one row down the middle on top.
>
>I still have a 48 inch chest. I still have 23 inch quads, and not a
>spec of fat on them or my calves. I admit to not being rock hard
>around the middle, but I never was. Never had love handles, though.
>Never had belly hang, even when I was a few lbs heavier.
>
>Fact is, I not only can outride you, I can do any physical activity
>better than you.
>
>> I can rise out of a chair or up off the floor with no problems -
>
>Me too, I don't do squats at the gym anymore because of balance
>problems, (Inner ear damage, terrible tinnitus) but I do 500 lb leg
>presses, down from 600 a few years ago. I have very good arms, very
>big tris. I don't press anymore because of shoulder joint problems but
>I pressed 300 lbs when I was in my sixties.
>
>Here's a photo of me in 1995, three years before I sold my business
>and moved to Florida. That was in Puerto Valletta. I was 51. You judge
>if I was fat. I'm pretty sure I had a 36 waist then. I have no idea
>how much I weighed. Look at the quads. Can you match 'em?
>

new link
https://tinyurl.com/2lcunvpw

>
>> something I'd never
>>bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that.
>
>No whines, Frank, only honesty. I'm rather proud of my low heart rate
>and low blood pressure. How about you. Does your doctor tell that he
>wished he had your heart. Mine does, and he's physical fitness nut.
>
>>I don't need a tricycle
>>to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm certainly not timid enough
>>to need a gun while riding.
>
>Try a recumbent, Frank. Sit six inches off the ground and ride through
>a homeless neighborhood. I have. I was attacked once, yes, it was on a
>bike trail in a wildernesses area known for homeless people. Ripped my
>shirt when I charged him.
>
>>Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of places I have. You haven't
>>done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You make no mention of
>>utility or transportational use of a bike, so I assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>>taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV interviews regarding it.
>
>Yeah, but then you're a one trick pony. I, on the other hand, had and
>have ton of activities. I rode motorcycles all of the country.
>here's the Yamaha the Yamaha Virago on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Over
>the years I owned six different motorcycles. That's camping gear on
>the back.
>https://tinyurl.com/bdh3aysy

New link
https://tinyurl.com/4vztmee6

>I raced cars (not very well) trying and failing to match my
>outstanding performance racing go-karts as a teenager. Had to overhaul
>the old Triumph Spitfire I bought. I'd already done some engine
>building so I knew how. I finished third one time.
>
>I owned and rode several horses over the years I owned and rode
>snowmobiles, I scuba dived, owned and sailed three sailboats, 19',21',
>and 36'. Lived on the last one for a few years. I owned two different
>motorboats. 14' and 18'. Today, we kayak on the ocean and walk on
>isolated sandbars and beaches. We snorkel a bit but no longer dive. My
>wife takes her metal detector while I just cruise along the bottom. No
>treasure yet, but two really nice watches and a pair of raybans that
>now have new lenses.
>
>I wrote and published seven books. very far from being best sellers,
>but I made a few bucks on each of them. Under my own name, so I won't
>be showing you.
>
>I ran several small hobby businesses after I retired. I had a little
>bike shop, I wrote software, C++, I built websites, I played guitar,
>piano, and sang as a volunteer in assisted living and nursing homes.
>Country, western, rock amd roll, and religious.
>
>I never had an inclination to go to europe, but I traveled a lot in
>the Carribean and Mexico. Some by car, some by boat (mine), and some
>by motorcycle.
>
>You see, Frank, when it comes to courage and experience, you're not
>even in the running.
>
>>We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that everybody is just as
>>knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine confining yourself to dead flat
>>linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling too afraid. If that's
>>what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has a motor which your avoided
>>mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>
><LOL> No Frank, I'll never use a motor on my bike. I outperform you
>fine enough without one.

<LOL> Frank is so impressed with my performance that he thinks I use a
motor..

At any rate, I've learned that the pictures I thought I referenced in
this posting are dead links. I haven't fiddled around with Social
media garbage so I didn't know. I created that Google account years
ago and was going to use it for email. When I realized it was just
another dopey Social Media shithole where people have "friends" that
they've never met and probably never want to meet, I left it blank.

I didn't realize the links wouldn't work until I asked my daughter to
check it. She said, "Dad, if you want pictures to be public, you'll
have to bite the bullet and post them to Facebook, Instagram, or
twitter." I tried an Instagram account and it wouldn't even let me put
the pictures on it. There's no way I'm going to even look at Twitter,
so this morning before my bike ride I created a Facebook account. Now,
I've edited the links in the posting above and I think they'll work
now.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>
>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>
>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>
>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>
>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>
>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>
>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>
>
>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>the roadists unless there is a left and right,

Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
have no idea what it means to those the use it.

>But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>compensation for their losses.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>
>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>
>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>
>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>
>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>
>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>
>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>
>
> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> the roadists unless there is a left and right,

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:52:40 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >Here's a photo of me in 1995, three years before I sold my business
> >and moved to Florida. That was in Puerto Valletta. I was 51. You judge
> >if I was fat. I'm pretty sure I had a 36 waist then. I have no idea
> >how much I weighed. Look at the quads. Can you match 'em?
> >
> new link
> https://tinyurl.com/2lcunvpw

Ah, a fuzzy photo of a guy claimed to have been taken 27 years ago and posted on the
Facebook page of a person whose name is not your own! That's pretty impressive, all right! :-)

> >> something I'd never
> >>bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that.
> >
> >No whines, Frank, only honesty. I'm rather proud of my low heart rate
> >and low blood pressure. How about you. Does your doctor tell that he
> >wished he had your heart. Mine does, and he's physical fitness nut.

We got very similar stuff from our doctor's nurse two days ago. The doc is a good friend of
ours. He knows what we do, and have done.

> >
> >>I don't need a tricycle
> >>to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm certainly not timid enough
> >>to need a gun while riding.
> >
> >Try a recumbent, Frank.

I have, and rejected them. I decided the disadvantages didn't outweigh the advantages. I was
given a tadpole low trike (it belonged to a friend who died) and I gave it away. I prefer real bikes
on real roads used for real travel or transportation, not just out-and-back on government-provided
kiddy paths. But whatever keeps you moving is fine for you, limited as it may be. Just don't
pretend it generates any expertise regarding riding under more normal conditions.

> >I was attacked once, yes, it was on a
> >bike trail in a wildernesses area known for homeless people.

Wow! Homeless people living in the wilderness! Were they hunting for subsistence, and
gathering roots and berries?

> >>Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of places I have. You haven't
> >>done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You make no mention of
> >>utility or transportational use of a bike, so I assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> >>taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV interviews regarding it.
> >
> >Yeah, but then you're a one trick pony.

Not at all. I'm not mentioning much of what I do. Oddly, I think this is a _bicycle_
discussion group, so I haven't mentioned my motorcycle touring, backpacking, hiking,
artwork, musical performances, board memberships, publications etc.

> >You see, Frank, when it comes to courage and experience, you're not
> >even in the running.

Wrong. And for emphasis: I ride a bike with only two wheels! I ride that bike almost entirely
on normal streets and roads! I use it for all sorts of transportation purposes, replacing
car trips! And I'm not timid enough to carry a gun!

You ride a three wheeler in dead-flat Florida only on bike paths built for the recreation of
timid people, and you still are fearful enough to carry a gun. Nothing there is impressive.

But again, whatever keeps you moving is fine. Just limit your bike comments to your
actual expertise, please.

- Frank Krygowski

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+2, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 14.09.2022 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>>
>>> I think Krygowski is upset because he knows he cannot match my riding
>>> performance even though I'm 78 years old.
>> Obviously, nobody in the world can match your riding performance as long
>> as you brag about it without mentioning any numbers.
>>
>> I have no idea whether I need to cycle 5 minutes a week or 50,000 miles
>> a month to match your cycling performance, so I can widely speculate
>> whether to bow to your superior super-human riding performance or to
>> call you an imposter.
>>
>> Rolf "no need to hide behind a pseudonym"
>
>
> What is this a pissing content? Everyone should respect the way someone
> rides his bike or his/her preference where to ride and what bike he/she
> uses. It is not about miles or that other crap.
>
> Lou
>
I think he’s after attention actually, could be wrong but feels like a
troll…

Roger Merriman.