Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>
> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>
> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> really are more than mine."
>
> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> and will continue to do
> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> friend who occasionally
> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> to keeping up with me,
> especially on hills.)
>
> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> overweight as you have been
> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> don't need a tricycle
> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> certainly not timid enough
> to need a gun while riding.
>
> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> places I have. You haven't
> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> make no mention of
> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> interviews regarding it.
>
> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> everybody is just as
> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> confining yourself to dead flat
> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> too afraid. If that's
> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> a motor which your avoided
> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>
Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
rather looks like one.

Roger Merriman

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> > <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
> >>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
> >>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you..
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
> >>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
> >>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
> >>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
> >>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
> >>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
> >>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
> >>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
> >>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
> >>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
> >>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>>>>>>>> personal information?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Control.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>>>>> them what to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>>>
> >>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>>>> national debt).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>>>> by 60%!"
> >>>>
> >>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>>
> >>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >>
> >> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >>
> >
> > Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> > middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> > the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
> >
> > But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> > affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> > on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> > from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> > whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> > compensation for their losses.
> >
> >>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
> >>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
> >>> hides his head.
> >>
> >>
> >> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
> >>
> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
> >
> > Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
> > but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
> Roger Merriman

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>
> >> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> > First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> > CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> > [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >
> > FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >
> > "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > really are more than mine."
> >
> > Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> > and will continue to do
> > so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> > actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> > friend who occasionally
> > visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> > to keeping up with me,
> > especially on hills.)
> >
> > My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> > century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> > overweight as you have been
> > and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> > or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> > bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> > don't need a tricycle
> > to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> > certainly not timid enough
> > to need a gun while riding.
> >
> > Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> > places I have. You haven't
> > done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> > make no mention of
> > utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> > assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> > taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> > interviews regarding it.
> >
> > We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> > everybody is just as
> > knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> > confining yourself to dead flat
> > linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> > too afraid. If that's
> > what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> > a motor which your avoided
> > mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >
> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> rather looks like one.

Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the actual classes he was teaching?

So exactly who do you believe is trolling?

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>>
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>
>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>>
>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event
>>> rides on normal roads?
>>>
>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>>> courage and experience
>>> really are more than mine."
>>>
>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>>> and will continue to do
>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's
>>> done where there are
>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in
>>> Florida. (I have a Floridian
>>> friend who occasionally
>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>>> to keeping up with me,
>>> especially on hills.)
>>>
>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>>> overweight as you have been
>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>>> don't need a tricycle
>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>>> certainly not timid enough
>>> to need a gun while riding.
>>>
>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>>> places I have. You haven't
>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>>> make no mention of
>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>>> interviews regarding it.
>>>
>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>>> everybody is just as
>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>>> confining yourself to dead flat
>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>>> too afraid. If that's
>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>>> a motor which your avoided
>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>>>
>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> rather looks like one.
>
> Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical
> engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said
> that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about
> that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what
> Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the
> actual classes he was teaching?
>
> So exactly who do you believe is trolling?
>
For once at least in this sub thread you two are not arguing, or at least
where not!

But has found someone else to argue with.

Roger Merriman

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:52:40 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >Here's a photo of me in 1995, three years before I sold my business
>> >and moved to Florida. That was in Puerto Valletta. I was 51. You judge
>> >if I was fat. I'm pretty sure I had a 36 waist then. I have no idea
>> >how much I weighed. Look at the quads. Can you match 'em?
>> >
>> new link
>> https://tinyurl.com/2lcunvpw
>
>Ah, a fuzzy photo of a guy claimed to have been taken 27 years ago and posted on the
>Facebook page of a person whose name is not your own! That's pretty impressive, all right! :-)

I guess you can't match my quads, eh? I knew you couldn't.

>> >> something I'd never
>> >>bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that.
>> >
>> >No whines, Frank, only honesty. I'm rather proud of my low heart rate
>> >and low blood pressure. How about you. Does your doctor tell that he
>> >wished he had your heart. Mine does, and he's physical fitness nut.
>
>We got very similar stuff from our doctor's nurse two days ago. The doc is a good friend of
>ours. He knows what we do, and have done.
>
>> >
>> >>I don't need a tricycle
>> >>to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm certainly not timid enough
>> >>to need a gun while riding.
>> >
>> >Try a recumbent, Frank.
>
>I have, and rejected them. I decided the disadvantages didn't outweigh the advantages. I was
>given a tadpole low trike (it belonged to a friend who died) and I gave it away. I prefer real bikes
>on real roads used for real travel or transportation, not just out-and-back on government-provided
>kiddy paths. But whatever keeps you moving is fine for you, limited as it may be. Just don't
>pretend it generates any expertise regarding riding under more normal conditions.

Yeah, I know, you prefer riding among people driving 2000 lb vehicles
and texting on their phone. That is, if indeed you can still ride.

>> >I was attacked once, yes, it was on a
>> >bike trail in a wildernesses area known for homeless people.
>
>Wow! Homeless people living in the wilderness! Were they hunting for subsistence, and
>gathering roots and berries?

Well, apparently. he was after what he thought I had.

>> >>Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of places I have. You haven't
>> >>done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries.

<LOL> Riding is riding, Frank. I know you think it's a big deal, but,
when I go someplace, I want to see all it, not just what you can see
from a bike path. I couldn't tolerate "traveling" on a bicycle. Talk
about boring, and it wouldn't give me any more experience than I got
wandering around Orlando like I did on the 140 miles in a day ride. It
got really old. I've made many 1000+ mile trips. I can't imagine the
tedium of doing it on a bicycle.

Unlike you, I don't go around trying to tell others to do what to do,
or badmouth the way they ride even if it's a prick like you. I, like
you, don't wear a helmet, but I've never suggested that others should
follow my preferences. I prefer clipless, but unlike you, I don't try
to convince others to be like me. I have, and I will continue to
explain to trikers that there is potential damage if their feet lift
off the pedals. After that, it's their decision.

>You make no mention of
>> >>utility or transportational use of a bike, so I assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> >>taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV interviews regarding it.

Going to the grocery, drug store, home depot , etc is chore. No way to
make it enjoyable. I want to get it over as quickly as I can. Doing it
on bicycle would be boring.

Frankly, Frank, riding like you ride would bore me to tears. <LOL> But
you go ahead and do your boring rides.
>> >Yeah, but then you're a one trick pony.
>
>Not at all. I'm not mentioning much of what I do. Oddly, I think this is a _bicycle_
>discussion group,
If it's only for bicycle posting, why did you that post political
garbage.. that I shot down and made you run away?

>so I haven't mentioned my motorcycle touring, backpacking, hiking,
>artwork, musical performances, board memberships, publications etc.

Yep, you're a one trick pony, and a look-at-me, look-at-me wannabe.
You get off when you're telling others what to do. I understand that
you taught school and I think you got off on the power you had over
all the kids. Now you don't have them and you can't stand it when
someone like me comes along and figuratively flips you off.

You brag about setting up group rides, like doing that is actually
about bicycling. Not much different than setting up a group motorcycle
trip, or a group horseback ride.

But, oh golly, you got to make all the rules..

>> >You see, Frank, when it comes to courage and experience, you're not
>> >even in the running.
>
>Wrong. And for emphasis: I ride a bike with only two wheels!

That means I'm half again more experienced than you, doesn't it? How
about a monocycle?

>I ride that bike almost entirely
>on normal streets and roads! I use it for all sorts of transportation purposes, replacing
>car trips!

...and yet I bet you dress in those funny brightly colored clown suits
that have pads on your butt.

>And I'm not timid enough to carry a gun!

But you're too timid to go through any dangerous places.

You ride for transportation purposes. I ride for the pure pleasure of
the ride. I enjoy feeling the muscles move. I shut out the external
and that's hard to do when cars and trucks are whizzing by. I am an
extreme introvert and my rides are my sanctity. It's an inner focus
only people like me can understand. My dad used to say he could tell
me to dig a hole and he'd have to watch, and come out and tell me it
was to stop.

You've apparently made bicycling a way of life. Frankly, Frank, my
life is gonna be too short for that.

>You ride a three wheeler in dead-flat Florida only on bike paths built for the recreation of
>timid people, and you still are fearful enough to carry a gun. Nothing there is impressive.

You'll notice, that I generally have not demeaned the way you ride.
It's clearly not for me, it's think it's awful, but I think everyone
should ride the way that they prefer. I'm going to continue riding the
way I prefer. The fact that you disapprove is good. I rather enjoy
having pricks like you disapprove of me.

>But again, whatever keeps you moving is fine. Just limit your bike comments to your
>actual expertise, please.

BTW, do you actually have any experience? You're all talk.

>- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>
>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>
>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> really are more than mine."
>>
>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> and will continue to do
>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> friend who occasionally
>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> to keeping up with me,
>> especially on hills.)
>>
>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> overweight as you have been
>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> don't need a tricycle
>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> certainly not timid enough
>> to need a gun while riding.
>>
>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> places I have. You haven't
>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> make no mention of
>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> interviews regarding it.
>>
>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> everybody is just as
>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> confining yourself to dead flat
>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> too afraid. If that's
>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> a motor which your avoided
>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>>
>Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>rather looks like one.
>
>Roger Merriman

You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> > <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> >>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>> >>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>> >>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>> >>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>> >>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>> >>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>> >>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>> >>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>> >>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>> >>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>> >>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>> >>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>> >>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> >>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> >>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> >>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> >>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>> >>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>> >>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >>>>>>>>> personal information?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Control.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>> >>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>> >>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>> >>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>> >>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>> >>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>> >>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>> >>>>>> them what to do.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>> >>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>> >>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>> >>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>> >>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>> >>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>> >>>>> national debt).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>> >>>>> by 60%!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>> >>>
>> >>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>> >>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>> >>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>> >>
>> >> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> >> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> >> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> >> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> > middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> > the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>> >
>> > But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> > affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> > on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> > from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> > whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> > compensation for their losses.
>> >
>> >>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>> >>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>> >>> hides his head.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>> >>
>> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>> >
>> > Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>> > but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>> Roger Merriman
>
>I can't define it? It was me that referenced the Merriam Webster
dictionary definition and said that we were speaking about the "B"
definition. On their very best days the stupid six most assuredly are
communists because they DO believe in "a totalitarian system of
government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned
means of production" They have absolutely no need for an opposition
party and given a choice would kill every one of us. Not because they
dislike us but because we oppose single party politics.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>
>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>
>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>
>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>
>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>
>>
>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>
>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>have no idea what it means to those the use it.

On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>
>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>
>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>
>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>
>>
>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>
> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>
>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> compensation for their losses.
>>
>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>> hides his head.
>>>
>>>
>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>
>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>
> Roger Merriman
>

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:58:12 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>
>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>
>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>
>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>
>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>
>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>>
>
>A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>'the middle of the road'.

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:56:47 PM UTC-4, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>
> >> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> > First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> > CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> > [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >
> > FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >
> > "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > really are more than mine."
> >
> > Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> > and will continue to do
> > so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> > actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> > friend who occasionally
> > visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> > to keeping up with me,
> > especially on hills.)
> >
> > My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> > century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> > overweight as you have been
> > and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> > or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> > bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> > don't need a tricycle
> > to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> > certainly not timid enough
> > to need a gun while riding.
> >
> > Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> > places I have. You haven't
> > done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> > make no mention of
> > utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> > assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> > taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> > interviews regarding it.
> >
> > We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> > everybody is just as
> > knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> > confining yourself to dead flat
> > linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> > too afraid. If that's
> > what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> > a motor which your avoided
> > mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >
> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> rather looks like one.

You're right, of course.

- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:44:10 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:54:18 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >> >>>>><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> >> >>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> >> >>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> >> >>>>>>> >>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >> >>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >> >>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >> >>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >> >>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> >> >>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >> >>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> >>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >> >>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >> >>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >> >>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >> >>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >> >>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >> >>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >> >>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >> >>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >> >>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >> >>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >> >>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
> >> >>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >> >>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >> >>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >> >>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >> >>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >> >>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >> >>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >> >>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >> >>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >> >>>>>>> >personal information?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Control.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >> >>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >> >>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >> >>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >> >>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >> >>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >> >>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >> >>>>>them what to do.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >> >>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >> >>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >> >>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >> >>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >> >>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >> >>>>national debt).
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >> >>>>by 60%!"
> >> >>>
> >> >>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >> >>
> >> >>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >> >>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >> >>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >> >
> >> >As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >> >government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >> >the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >> >referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >> >
> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >>
> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> >> compensation for their losses.
> >
> >John, you are wrong by a factor of 10.
> >https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
> >"Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day."
> >
> You seem to be references ALL subsides to farmers. The 4.7million I
> mentioned was a special pay off to soybean farmers because of the
> Chinese ban which was in response to the U.S. ban or increase in
> duties on some Chinese goods.

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> > >> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats..
> > >
> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >
> > > First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> > > CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > >> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> > > [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> > >
> > > FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > > How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > > by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > > How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > > roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > > foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > > 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > > How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > >
> > > "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > > really are more than mine."
> > >
> > > Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> > > and will continue to do
> > > so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> > > actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> > > friend who occasionally
> > > visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> > > to keeping up with me,
> > > especially on hills.)
> > >
> > > My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> > > century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> > > overweight as you have been
> > > and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> > > or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> > > bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that.. I
> > > don't need a tricycle
> > > to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> > > certainly not timid enough
> > > to need a gun while riding.
> > >
> > > Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> > > places I have. You haven't
> > > done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> > > make no mention of
> > > utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> > > assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> > > taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> > > interviews regarding it.
> > >
> > > We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> > > everybody is just as
> > > knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> > > confining yourself to dead flat
> > > linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> > > too afraid. If that's
> > > what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> > > a motor which your avoided
> > > mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> > >
> > Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> > rather looks like one.
> Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the actual classes he was teaching?
>
> So exactly who do you believe is trolling?

Tommy, when I hear "industrial engineering", I think of machines. Industrial revolution back in the 1800s and up into the early 1900s. Machinery in factories. Seems to me a mechanical engineer would be good for teaching that. As for you taking "industrial engineering" in 11th grade. Junior year.. I doubt you even attended high school at all. Based on your intelligence. As for Frank not listing the classes he taught, I suspect he taught many different classes with all sorts of titles. Most college professors teach many different classes. Kind of like bicycles ridden. I have owned about a dozen different bicycles in my life. And ridden at least that many more on test rides. But I don't explicitly state which bike I am riding on every ride unless it adds something to the story or is necessary. If I go for a bike ride. Does it matter which bike I rode?

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:07:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> > <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >> >>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> >>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
> >> >>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
> >> >>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >> >>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >> >>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >> >>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
> >> >>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
> >> >>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
> >> >>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >> >>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >> >>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
> >> >>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
> >> >>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
> >> >>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
> >> >>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >> >>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
> >> >>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >> >>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >> >>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >> >>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >> >>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
> >> >>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
> >> >>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >> >>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >> >>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >> >>>>>>>>> personal information?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Control.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >> >>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >> >>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >> >>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >> >>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >> >>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >> >>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >> >>>>>> them what to do.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >> >>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >> >>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >> >>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >> >>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >> >>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >> >>>>> national debt).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >> >>>>> by 60%!"
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is.. I
> >> >>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >> >>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >> >>
> >> >> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >> >> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >> >> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >> >> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >> > middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >> > the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> >> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> >> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
> >> >
> >> > But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> >> > affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> >> > on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> >> > from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> >> > whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> >> > compensation for their losses.
> >> >
> >> >>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
> >> >>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
> >> >>> hides his head.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
> >> > but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> >I can't define it? It was me that referenced the Merriam Webster
> dictionary definition and said that we were speaking about the "B"
> definition. On their very best days the stupid six most assuredly are
> communists because they DO believe in "a totalitarian system of
> government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned
> means of production" They have absolutely no need for an opposition
> party and given a choice would kill every one of us. Not because they
> dislike us but because we oppose single party politics.
> No Tommy the reference above was not posted my you. It was the bloke
> from Florida what done it.
>
> As for believing in a totalitarian system of government???
>
> Come now Tommy, you live in a far more totalitarian country then I do,
> for example. You country has so many government agencies that it is
> hard to count them all
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:04:04 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:44:10 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:54:18 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> >> >>>>><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>> >> >>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >> >>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >> >>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >> >>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >> >>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >> >>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >> >>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >> >>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >> >>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >> >>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >> >>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >> >>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>> >> >>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> >> >>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> >> >>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> >> >>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> >> >>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >> >>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >> >>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >> >>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >> >>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >> >>>>>>> >personal information?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Control.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>> >> >>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>> >> >>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>> >> >>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>> >> >>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>> >> >>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>> >> >>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>> >> >>>>>them what to do.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>> >> >>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>> >> >>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>> >> >>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>> >> >>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>> >> >>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>> >> >>>>national debt).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>> >> >>>>by 60%!"
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>> >> >>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>> >> >>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>> >> >
>> >> >As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> >> >government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> >> >the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> >> >referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>> >> >
>> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>> >>
>> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> >> compensation for their losses.
>> >
>> >John, you are wrong by a factor of 10.
>> >https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
>> >"Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day."
>> >
>> You seem to be references ALL subsides to farmers. The 4.7million I
>> mentioned was a special pay off to soybean farmers because of the
>> Chinese ban which was in response to the U.S. ban or increase in
>> duties on some Chinese goods.
>
>$13 billion.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html#:~:text=Trump%20announced%20that%20an%20additional,tariffs%20placed%20on%20American%20products.
>"At a September campaign rally in Wisconsin, a big farm state, Mr. Trump announced that an additional $13 billion in aid would soon be paid out through the Commodity Credit Corporation, a pot of money that the Trump administration had used to provide financial help to farmers suffering from retaliatory tariffs placed on American products."
>
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642525831/agriculture-dept-will-pay-4-7-billion-to-farmers-hit-in-trade-war
https://www.ibisworld.com/us/bed/subsidies-for-soybean-farming/4436/

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>
>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>
>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
>
> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
>the rest?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:23:10 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:07:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> > <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> >> >>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> >>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >> >>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >> >>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >> >>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >> >>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>> >> >>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> >> >>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> >> >>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> >> >>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> >> >>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >> >>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >> >>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >> >>>>>>>>> personal information?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Control.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>> >> >>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>> >> >>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>> >> >>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>> >> >>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>> >> >>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>> >> >>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>> >> >>>>>> them what to do.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>> >> >>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>> >> >>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>> >> >>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>> >> >>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>> >> >>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>> >> >>>>> national debt).
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>> >> >>>>> by 60%!"
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>> >> >>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>> >> >>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> >> >> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> >> >> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> >> >> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> >> > middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> >> > the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>> >> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>> >> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>> >> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>> >> >
>> >> > But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> >> > affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> >> > on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> >> > from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> >> > whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> >> > compensation for their losses.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>> >> >>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>> >> >>> hides his head.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>> >> > but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>> >> Roger Merriman
>> >
>> >I can't define it? It was me that referenced the Merriam Webster
>> dictionary definition and said that we were speaking about the "B"
>> definition. On their very best days the stupid six most assuredly are
>> communists because they DO believe in "a totalitarian system of
>> government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned
>> means of production" They have absolutely no need for an opposition
>> party and given a choice would kill every one of us. Not because they
>> dislike us but because we oppose single party politics.
>> No Tommy the reference above was not posted my you. It was the bloke
>> from Florida what done it.
>>
>> As for believing in a totalitarian system of government???
>>
>> Come now Tommy, you live in a far more totalitarian country then I do,
>> for example. You country has so many government agencies that it is
>> hard to count them all
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>John, you are from Thailand? Right? I do not think your claim to living in a less totalitarian country than the USA is very accurate. John, I know you are originally, currently, a USA citizen. But have spent the last number of decades living in Thailand.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Thailand
>
>"Following the coup d'état of 22 May 2014 revoking the 2007 constitution, a military organization called National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) had taken over administration. The chief of NCPO abolished the national assembly and assumed the responsibilities of the legislative branch. Under the martial law enforced throughout the kingdom, military courts have been tasked to be responsible for some cases that are normally under the civilian courts. However, the court system, including the Constitutional Court, still remains in existence, even without the constitution. The NCPO was formally dissolved following the swearing-in of the new cabinet on 16 July 2019."

On 9/16/2022 2:23 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:07:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> I can't define it? It was me that referenced the Merriam Webster
>> dictionary definition and said that we were speaking about the "B"
>> definition. On their very best days the stupid six most assuredly are
>> communists because they DO believe in "a totalitarian system of
>> government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned
>> means of production" They have absolutely no need for an opposition
>> party and given a choice would kill every one of us. Not because they
>> dislike us but because we oppose single party politics.
>> No Tommy the reference above was not posted my you. It was the bloke
>> from Florida what done it.
>>
>> As for believing in a totalitarian system of government???
>>
>> Come now Tommy, you live in a far more totalitarian country then I do,
>> for example. You country has so many government agencies that it is
>> hard to count them all
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
> John, you are from Thailand? Right? I do not think your claim to living in a less totalitarian country than the USA is very accurate. John, I know you are originally, currently, a USA citizen. But have spent the last number of decades living in Thailand.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Thailand
>
> "Following the coup d'état of 22 May 2014 revoking the 2007 constitution, a military organization called National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) had taken over administration. The chief of NCPO abolished the national assembly and assumed the responsibilities of the legislative branch. Under the martial law enforced throughout the kingdom, military courts have been tasked to be responsible for some cases that are normally under the civilian courts. However, the court system, including the Constitutional Court, still remains in existence, even without the constitution. The NCPO was formally dissolved following the swearing-in of the new cabinet on 16 July 2019."
>
> "Thai kingdoms and the late Kingdom of Siam were under absolute rule of kings. After the "democratic revolution" in 1932, led by Westernized bureaucrats and a tradition-oriented military, the country officially became a constitutional monarchy with a prime minister as the government head."
>
> "Coups happened from time to time, often bringing the country under the rule of yet another junta. To date Thailand has had 20 charters and constitutions, reflecting a high degree of political instability. After successful coups, military regimes have abrogated existing constitutions and promulgated interim charters."
>

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 3:15:36 AM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the actual classes he was teaching?
> >
> > So exactly who do you believe is trolling?
> Tommy, when I hear "industrial engineering", I think of machines. Industrial revolution back in the 1800s and up into the early 1900s. Machinery in factories. Seems to me a mechanical engineer would be good for teaching that.

Tom is fantasizing again. While there's always a bit of topic overlap in engineering fields, I never once
taught a class that was listed as Industrial Engineering. Industrial engineering is far, far different from
mechanical engineering.

Even Tom's shameful attempts at stalking are incompetent.

- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 6:36:17 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> I've lived here for more than 50 years through enumerable governments,
> coups and protests and to be honest there really hasn't been any
> change in how the common man lives or is treated. Taxes about the
> same, laws about the same.

We have a new friend, a biologist from Peru. She and her husband will be visiting us
again this evening.

I'd never met anyone from Peru before. During our last visit, after conversation turned
to jokes about American politics, I asked her what the political situation was like in Peru.
She told us that the government is quite corrupt and that everyone knows it. The
governments change from time to time, but the corruption is constant. She claimed that
the ordinary citizens just accept that as fact and get on with their lives.

> The biggest change was when one government
> implemented the 30 baht medical scheme. You go to the hospital and pay
> 30 baht - about U.S. $0.83, here about 1/10th of a day's pay, and
> anything the doctor prescribes is covered by that payment. People over
> 65 get free treatment.

What? You don't have people going bankrupt because of mountainous medical
bills?

> The most telling story about the peoples attitude to government is
> what happened some years ago when one of the civilian governments was
> in power.
>
> The civilians, being nice guys, went easy on crime, told the cops to
> take it easy, the courts not to impose the death penalty, short prison
> sentences and so on.
>
> The result was, of course, a rather big increase in snatch and grab
> thievery. So bad that the women stopped wearing their gold jewelry and
> if you have ever been in Thailand you'd know how a big a thing that
> is. You see here a married woman wears gold which does two things,
> which are sort of the same. One, women like jewelry and two it shows
> the world that they married a chap that keeps them in the proper
> manner.
>
> Anyway, after a short time we had another coup and the Army took over,
> two or three soldiers on every street corner, thieves getting shot in
> the act, death penalty back in force and so on. The overwhelming
> attitude was "Thank The Lord!" and of course the ladies started
> wearing their gold again (:-)

I'm always interested in how different countries solve similar problems.

But I'll note that there are lots of countries that have low crime rates - at least, compared to the
U.S. - without having armed soldiers on every corner shooting people on sight, without
huge portions of their population incarcerated, and without the death penalty. I'm interested in
how they do that.

- Frank Krygowski

On 9/16/2022 6:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
> exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse
> from the public treasury..."

It goes way beyond that.

In states that have the initiative process, which seemed like a good
idea originally, it's been taken over by corporations that can spend
hundreds of millions of dollars to push through laws that save them
billions.

Uber and Lyft spent about $224 million to pass Prop 22, which allows
them to exploit their drivers. Unfortunately for these companies, Prop
22 was overturned as unconstitutional, though as I understand it the
backers are appealing.

And it's not just the "public treasury" that voters discover they can
vote themselves largess from. In San Francisco, rent-control, and
de-facto vacancy control, result in largess from property owners. The
affordable housing shortage in San Francisco is largely a result of the
draconian rent control law, where maximum rent increases have been as
low as 0%, and there are no income qualifications for a rent-controlled
apartment. There is almost no turnover of rent-controlled properties and
property owners often exit the rental market and turn the properties
into for-sale housing.

Prop 13 was sold to voters as a way to "keep seniors from being taxed
out of their homes" but it was actually created by commercial property
owners to prevent their parcels from being assessed at market value.
This has shifted the tax burden to homeowners since homes are reassessed
when sold, but commercial property can be transferred to new owners in a
way where there is no reassessment.

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 3:15:36 AM UTC-4, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the actual classes he was teaching?
> > >
> > > So exactly who do you believe is trolling?
> > Tommy, when I hear "industrial engineering", I think of machines. Industrial revolution back in the 1800s and up into the early 1900s. Machinery in factories. Seems to me a mechanical engineer would be good for teaching that.
> Tom is fantasizing again. While there's always a bit of topic overlap in engineering fields, I never once
> taught a class that was listed as Industrial Engineering. Industrial engineering is far, far different from
> mechanical engineering.
>
> Even Tom's shameful attempts at stalking are incompetent.
>

It's likely tom took industrial _arts_ in high school. Industrial arts teaches you how to run a band saw without cutting your fingers off. Industrial Engineering is in fact a degreed profession with post graduate degrees available in different fields from industrial automation to supply chain management in manufacturing or processing facilities. Tommy might have seen a course listing for Industrial Engineering that included mechanical engineering.. It's exactly the type of mistake he would make.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:44:28 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> One of my "hobbies" is pissing people off.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/M1-fTfMWAQAJ

Q.E.D.

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
> >>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
> >>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
> >>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
> >>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
> >>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
> >>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
> >>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
> >>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
> >>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
> >>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
> >>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>>>>>>>>> personal information?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Control.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>>>>>> them what to do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>>>>> national debt).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>>>>> by 60%!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >>>
> >>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >
> > Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> > isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> > doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
> >>
> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> >> compensation for their losses.
> >>
> >>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
> >>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
> >>>> hides his head.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
> >>>
> >>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
> >>
> >> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
> >> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> >
> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
> 'the middle of the road'.
I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?

On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>
> >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >>
> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>
> >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >>
> >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >>
> >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >> really are more than mine."
> >>
> >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> >> and will continue to do
> >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> >> friend who occasionally
> >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> >> to keeping up with me,
> >> especially on hills.)
> >>
> >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> >> overweight as you have been
> >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> >> don't need a tricycle
> >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> >> certainly not timid enough
> >> to need a gun while riding.
> >>
> >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> >> places I have. You haven't
> >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> >> make no mention of
> >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> >> interviews regarding it.
> >>
> >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> >> everybody is just as
> >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> >> confining yourself to dead flat
> >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> >> too afraid. If that's
> >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> >> a motor which your avoided
> >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >>
> >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> >rather looks like one.
> >
> >Roger Merriman
> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.

You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.