On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >
>> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>> I already made my point.
>
>I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>
>> >> I'm only
>> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>> >> you.
>> >
>> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>> Like you're doing, here?
>
>Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>
>> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>> The irony bell is ringing....
>
>says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.

Caught you looking...

>> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>> Ring ring....
>
>That's your conscience, pay attention
>
>> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>
>If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.

You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
Oh well....

> Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.

Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
those three legged stands.

Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
brakes, of course, are not possible.

High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
has sent a few trikers head over heels.

My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
two wheelers have.

I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
tightening is a good rainy day activity.

I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
asked, just a picture.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:23:10 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/17/2022 1:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Flunky like the rest of the stupid six is nothing more than a coward - that's the Democrat way.
>>
>> Ahem. I've been a registered Republican for about 55 years:
>> <https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status>
>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/iynb76vUSLxZLoYu9>

>Wow, most of the Republican that I knew changed to NPP (No Party
>Preference) after the orange one became president in 2016, though I
>still know four registered Republicans.

I probably should have done that. However, my being a registered
Republican greatly irritates some people, so it does serve a useful
purpose. Until I see a benefit to NPP status, methinks it best to
remain a Republican.

Reminder: My choice of president in most elections since Richard
Nixon was mostly the loser. With that track record, I don't believe
that any party would want me as a member.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 2:02:09 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >
> >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> >> I already made my point.
> >
> >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
> >
> >> >> I'm only
> >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> >> >> you.
> >> >
> >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> >> Like you're doing, here?
> >
> >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
> >
> >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> >> The irony bell is ringing....
> >
> >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
> Caught you looking...
> >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> >> Ring ring....
> >
> >That's your conscience, pay attention
> >
> >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
> >
> >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
> You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
> Oh well....
> > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
> Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
> than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
> Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
> issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
> that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
> we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
> important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
> alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
> rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
> two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
> into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
> on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
> those three legged stands.
>
> Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
> a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
> have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
> front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
> brakes, of course, are not possible.
>
> High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
> more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
> rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
> braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
> on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
> wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
> situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
> has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>
> My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
> an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
> the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
> many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
> return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
> simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
> boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
> quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
> length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
> chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
> have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
> road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
> I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
> two wheelers have.
>
> I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
> any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
> over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
> years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
> back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
> technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
> replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
> front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
> em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
> tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>
> I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
> replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
> hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
> asked, just a picture.

I love the way that Flunky says that he wanted to see something about fastening down shift cables and then says he already knows how to do that. He is quite plainly another egomaniac like Francis.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:27:21 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:48:41 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>> > > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> > > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> > > >>
>> > > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> > > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> > > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> > > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>> > > >>
>> > > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> > > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> > > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> > > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> > > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> > > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> > > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> > > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> > > >> really are more than mine."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> > > >> and will continue to do
>> > > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> > > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> > > >> friend who occasionally
>> > > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> > > >> to keeping up with me,
>> > > >> especially on hills.)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> > > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> > > >> overweight as you have been
>> > > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> > > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> > > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> > > >> don't need a tricycle
>> > > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> > > >> certainly not timid enough
>> > > >> to need a gun while riding.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> > > >> places I have. You haven't
>> > > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> > > >> make no mention of
>> > > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> > > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> > > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> > > >> interviews regarding it.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> > > >> everybody is just as
>> > > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> > > >> confining yourself to dead flat
>> > > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> > > >> too afraid. If that's
>> > > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> > > >> a motor which your avoided
>> > > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>> > > >>
>> > > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> > > >rather looks like one.
>> > > >
>> > > >Roger Merriman
>> > > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> > You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>
>And, as predicted, tommy's full hypocrisy on display.

Cheer up, Tommy used and post anonymous messages. Then Brandt
identified him and published his name and address (which he whines
about frequently) so being "outed" he now is forced to post using his
name.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>
>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>
>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>
>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>
>>
>>All communist parties share that trait.
>
>I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >
> >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> >> I already made my point.
> >
> >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
> >
> >> >> I'm only
> >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> >> >> you.
> >> >
> >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> >> Like you're doing, here?
> >
> >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
> >
> >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> >> The irony bell is ringing....
> >
> >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
> Caught you looking...
> >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> >> Ring ring....
> >
> >That's your conscience, pay attention
> >
> >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
> >
> >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
> You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
> Oh well....
> > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
> Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
> than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
> Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
> issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
> that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
> we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
> important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
> alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
> rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
> two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
> into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
> on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
> those three legged stands.
>
> Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
> a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
> have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
> front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
> brakes, of course, are not possible.
>
> High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
> more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
> rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
> braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
> on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
> wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
> situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
> has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>
> My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
> an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
> the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
> many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
> return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
> simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
> boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
> quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
> length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
> chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
> have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
> road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
> I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
> two wheelers have.
>
> I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
> any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
> over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
> years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
> back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
> technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
> replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
> front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
> em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
> tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>
> I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
> replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
> hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
> asked, just a picture.

I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?

- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:48:04 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>>
>>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>>
>>>
>>>All communist parties share that trait.
>>
>>I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>>have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>>moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
>
>"Socialist ideas"?
>
>You mean like unemployment payments, aid for unwed mothers, social
>security, government loans to collage kids, and central government aid
>to the states? Florida gets, as of 2013, some $25,468,800 (dollars in
>1,000s) of Federal aid. About 33.2% of general revenue
>https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >
>> >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
>>
>> I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise.
>
>Apparently your about as well versed in this inteweb thingie as kunich is.
>
>In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/klHeKjXiBQAJ
>
>You wrote:
>"I'm only sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like you."
>
>Own it, skippy.
>
>> Fact is, I'm happy
>> slapping you around too.
>
>More like flailing around. You'll have to do a lot better than that to constitute any 'slaps'.
>
>>
>> As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
>> to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
>> refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
>> nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
>> >> I'm really a gentle soul
>> >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
>> <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
>> logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.
>
>Frank has never started a purely political conversation. However you're the typical right wing troll - using this group as your own political toilet bowl. Take a look at the discussions and see who's starting purely political threads - it isn't anyone who you and kunich seem to think cause disruptions here. You _still_ haven't posted anything related to cycling technology.
>
>> >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
>> >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
>> >> triggering you.
>> >
>> >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
>> You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.
>
>"I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but here's a picture so everyone can see how big and strong I am"
>
>> >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
>> ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
>>
>
>And you _still_ brag while saying you don't care what anyone thinks - cognitive dissonance much?
>
>> Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.
>
>Keep protesting that you don't care what anyone thinks while bragging about how big a strong you are......

Keep responding and letting me know how badly I triggered you.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:48:04 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>>
>>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>>
>>>
>>>All communist parties share that trait.
>>
>>I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>>have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>>moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
>
>"Socialist ideas"?
>
>You mean like unemployment payments, aid for unwed mothers, social
>security, government loans to collage kids, and central government aid
>to the states? Florida gets, as of 2013, some $25,468,800 (dollars in
>1,000s) of Federal aid. About 33.2% of general revenue
>https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> >
>> >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>> >> I already made my point.
>> >
>> >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>> >
>> >> >> I'm only
>> >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>> >> >> you.
>> >> >
>> >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>> >> Like you're doing, here?
>> >
>> >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>> >
>> >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>> >> The irony bell is ringing....
>> >
>> >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
>> Caught you looking...
>> >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>> >> Ring ring....
>> >
>> >That's your conscience, pay attention
>> >
>> >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>> >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>> >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>> >
>> >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
>> You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
>> Oh well....
>> > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
>> Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
>> than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
>> Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
>> issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
>> that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
>> we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
>> important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
>> alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
>> rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
>> two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
>> into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
>> on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
>> those three legged stands.
>>
>> Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
>> a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
>> have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
>> front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
>> brakes, of course, are not possible.
>>
>> High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
>> more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
>> rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
>> braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
>> on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
>> wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
>> situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
>> has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>>
>> My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
>> an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
>> the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
>> many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
>> return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
>> simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
>> boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
>> quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
>> length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
>> chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
>> have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
>> road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
>> I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
>> two wheelers have.
>>
>> I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
>> any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
>> over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
>> years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
>> back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
>> technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
>> replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
>> front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
>> em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
>> tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>>
>> I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
>> replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
>> hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
>> asked, just a picture.
>
>I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Too much technical stuff for you, eh, Frank? Sorry, that I don't have
much to say about tieing down my shift cables.

Say, would you rather I talk about the cute little "basket" my wife
bought me so I can bike to the grocery store? I do every now and then,
but don't make a habit of it. I've never found any bike shoes that are
comfortable for walking around, especially on smooth hard floors.
Damned things don't flex. Like many athletic types, I roll onto and
push from my toes when I walk. I can't walk a step in sandals without
a heel strap. I walk right out of them.

https://www.rei.com/product/780119/topeak-mtx-basket-rear

There aint no fancy bike lanes on that route, either... nor mups, nor
decent sidewalks I could ride on. A couple of miles of two lane
streets, Frank. Imagine that...

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > >> >
> > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> > >> I already made my point.
> > >
> > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
> > >
> > >> >> I'm only
> > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> > >> >> you.
> > >> >
> > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> > >> Like you're doing, here?
> > >
> > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
> > >
> > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> > >> The irony bell is ringing....
> > >
> > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
> > Caught you looking...
> > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> > >> Ring ring....
> > >
> > >That's your conscience, pay attention
> > >
> > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
> > >
> > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
> > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
> > Oh well....
> > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
> > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
> > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
> > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
> > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
> > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
> > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
> > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
> > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
> > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
> > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
> > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
> > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
> > those three legged stands.
> >
> > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
> > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
> > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
> > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
> > brakes, of course, are not possible.
> >
> > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
> > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
> > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
> > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
> > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
> > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
> > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
> > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
> >
> > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
> > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
> > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
> > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
> > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
> > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
> > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
> > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
> > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
> > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
> > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
> > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
> > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
> > two wheelers have.
> >
> > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
> > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
> > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
> > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
> > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
> > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
> > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
> > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
> > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
> > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
> >
> > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
> > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
> > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
> > asked, just a picture.
> I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
> Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?

Lou

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 04:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>> > >> I already made my point.
>> > >
>> > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>> > >
>> > >> >> I'm only
>> > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>> > >> >> you.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>> > >> Like you're doing, here?
>> > >
>> > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>> > >
>> > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>> > >> The irony bell is ringing....
>> > >
>> > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
>> > Caught you looking...
>> > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>> > >> Ring ring....
>> > >
>> > >That's your conscience, pay attention
>> > >
>> > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>> > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>> > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>> > >
>> > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
>> > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
>> > Oh well....
>> > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
>> > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
>> > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
>> > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
>> > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
>> > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
>> > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
>> > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
>> > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
>> > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
>> > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
>> > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
>> > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
>> > those three legged stands.
>> >
>> > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
>> > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
>> > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
>> > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
>> > brakes, of course, are not possible.
>> >
>> > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
>> > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
>> > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
>> > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
>> > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
>> > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
>> > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
>> > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>> >
>> > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
>> > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
>> > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
>> > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
>> > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
>> > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
>> > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
>> > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
>> > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
>> > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
>> > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
>> > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
>> > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
>> > two wheelers have.
>> >
>> > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
>> > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
>> > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
>> > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
>> > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
>> > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
>> > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
>> > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
>> > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
>> > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>> >
>> > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
>> > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
>> > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
>> > asked, just a picture.
>> I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>> Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
>Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>
>Lou

I just tried to post something that Frank would be interested in,
namely riding my bike to the grocery store. He has shown a lot of
interest in that area.

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 1:49:12 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >
> >> >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
> >>
> >> I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise.
> >
> >Apparently your about as well versed in this inteweb thingie as kunich is.
> >
> >In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/klHeKjXiBQAJ
> >
> >You wrote:
> >"I'm only sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like you."
> >
> >Own it, skippy.
> >
> >> Fact is, I'm happy
> >> slapping you around too.
> >
> >More like flailing around. You'll have to do a lot better than that to constitute any 'slaps'.
> >
> >>
> >> As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
> >> to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
> >> refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
> >> nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
> >> >> I'm really a gentle soul
> >> >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
> >> <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
> >> logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.
> >
> >Frank has never started a purely political conversation. However you're the typical right wing troll - using this group as your own political toilet bowl. Take a look at the discussions and see who's starting purely political threads - it isn't anyone who you and kunich seem to think cause disruptions here. You _still_ haven't posted anything related to cycling technology.
> >
> >> >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
> >> >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
> >> >> triggering you.
> >> >
> >> >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
> >> You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.
> >
> >"I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but here's a picture so everyone can see how big and strong I am"
> >
> >> >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
> >> ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
> >>
> >
> >And you _still_ brag while saying you don't care what anyone thinks - cognitive dissonance much?
> >
> >> Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.
> >
> >Keep protesting that you don't care what anyone thinks while bragging about how big a strong you are......
> Keep responding and letting me know how badly I triggered you.

I've been getting a good laugh out of all of this. The Stupid Six felt perfectly fine as long as they believed that they could bully me but as soon as the odds started evening out they started telling every lie they could think of. "Trump's vaccine"? Pretty strange since Biden and Pelosi and other Democrats said that they couldn't take any vaccines since it was developed under Trump. But the vaccine wasn't release until mid-December of 2020, AFTER Biden was proclaimed elected by the Democrat controlled Congress. After that Biden DEMANDED that everyone be vaccinated. Suddenly it wasn't Trump's vaccine but that of the Holy Warrior Biden. At that point you couldn't even get on a commercial aircraft without a special card issued by the Biden administration saying that you were on Biden's side.

On 9/17/2022 8:48 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>>
>>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>>
>>>
>>> All communist parties share that trait.
>>
>> I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>> have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>> moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
>
> "Socialist ideas"?
>
> You mean like unemployment payments, aid for unwed mothers, social
> security, government loans to collage kids, and central government aid
> to the states? Florida gets, as of 2013, some $25,468,800 (dollars in
> 1,000s) of Federal aid. About 33.2% of general revenue
> https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets
>

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 1:49:12 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> >
>> >> >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
>> >>
>> >> I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise.
>> >
>> >Apparently your about as well versed in this inteweb thingie as kunich is.
>> >
>> >In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/klHeKjXiBQAJ
>> >
>> >You wrote:
>> >"I'm only sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like you."
>> >
>> >Own it, skippy.
>> >
>> >> Fact is, I'm happy
>> >> slapping you around too.
>> >
>> >More like flailing around. You'll have to do a lot better than that to constitute any 'slaps'.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
>> >> to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
>> >> refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
>> >> nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
>> >> >> I'm really a gentle soul
>> >> >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
>> >> <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
>> >> logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.
>> >
>> >Frank has never started a purely political conversation. However you're the typical right wing troll - using this group as your own political toilet bowl. Take a look at the discussions and see who's starting purely political threads - it isn't anyone who you and kunich seem to think cause disruptions here. You _still_ haven't posted anything related to cycling technology.
>> >
>> >> >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
>> >> >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
>> >> >> triggering you.
>> >> >
>> >> >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
>> >> You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.
>> >
>> >"I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but here's a picture so everyone can see how big and strong I am"
>> >
>> >> >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
>> >> ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >And you _still_ brag while saying you don't care what anyone thinks - cognitive dissonance much?
>> >
>> >> Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.
>> >
>> >Keep protesting that you don't care what anyone thinks while bragging about how big a strong you are......
>> Keep responding and letting me know how badly I triggered you.
>
>I've been getting a good laugh out of all of this. The Stupid Six felt perfectly fine as long as they believed that they could bully me but as soon as the odds started evening out they started telling every lie they could think of. "Trump's vaccine"? Pretty strange since Biden and Pelosi and other Democrats said that they couldn't take any vaccines since it was developed under Trump. But the vaccine wasn't release until mid-December of 2020, AFTER Biden was proclaimed elected by the Democrat controlled Congress. After that Biden DEMANDED that everyone be vaccinated. Suddenly it wasn't Trump's vaccine but that of the Holy Warrior Biden. At that point you couldn't even get on a commercial aircraft without a special card issued by the Biden administration saying that you were on Biden's side.

Doesn't take much to "trigger" a leftist. Just a picture of me
standing next to a great looking woman seems have sent them into
spasms. Sad to say she's no longer with us.. One of the reasons I'm
not nuts about riding in traffic.

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> > > >> I already made my point.
> > > >
> > > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
> > > >
> > > >> >> I'm only
> > > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> > > >> >> you.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> > > >> Like you're doing, here?
> > > >
> > > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
> > > >
> > > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> > > >> The irony bell is ringing....
> > > >
> > > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
> > > Caught you looking...
> > > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> > > >> Ring ring....
> > > >
> > > >That's your conscience, pay attention
> > > >
> > > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> > > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> > > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
> > > >
> > > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
> > > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
> > > Oh well....
> > > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
> > > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
> > > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
> > > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
> > > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
> > > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
> > > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
> > > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
> > > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
> > > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
> > > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
> > > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
> > > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
> > > those three legged stands.
> > >
> > > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
> > > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
> > > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
> > > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
> > > brakes, of course, are not possible.
> > >
> > > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
> > > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
> > > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
> > > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
> > > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
> > > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
> > > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
> > > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
> > >
> > > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
> > > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
> > > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
> > > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
> > > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
> > > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
> > > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
> > > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
> > > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
> > > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
> > > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
> > > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
> > > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
> > > two wheelers have.
> > >
> > > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
> > > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
> > > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
> > > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
> > > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
> > > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
> > > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
> > > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
> > > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
> > > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
> > >
> > > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
> > > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
> > > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
> > > asked, just a picture.
> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>
> Lou

Frank never added anything to this group even when I invited him to. He would "uh-huh" Jobst all the time even when it had absolutely nothing to do with engineering - something at which Jobst excelled. But when Jobst would start in on bicycles he was no more competent than any other rider and it would drive him wild when I would suggest that. Right here is Frank doing the same thing. Probably worse since in the best of times he was nothing more than a cycling tourist. That's fine but don't give us opinions of high end bikes if you don't have any experience with them. Don't tell us about recumbents if you don't know a thing about them.

By the way - I received and installed that large idler pulley arm onto my Record rear derailleur. Took if for a ride yesterday. Now I can't be sure that it was exactly those large idler pulleys but the pedals seemed to turn a whole lot easier. When I thought I was riding easy at around 12 mph when I looked at the Garmin I was doing 15 or 16. I was using the wheels with the Michelin Pro4's on so that might have been part of the reason.

That long arm with large idlers on it isn't perfect - it has a little too much play in it and if you're not EXACTLY aligned it does make noise trying to shift into another gear. But all in all I was pretty impressed and I can see why the pros are using them. The idlers ARE directional. The chain only engages the idler properly if you have it in the correct direction.

On 9/18/2022 4:57 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:48:04 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All communist parties share that trait.
>>>
>>> I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>>> have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>>> moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
>>
>> "Socialist ideas"?
>>
>> You mean like unemployment payments, aid for unwed mothers, social
>> security, government loans to collage kids, and central government aid
>> to the states? Florida gets, as of 2013, some $25,468,800 (dollars in
>> 1,000s) of Federal aid. About 33.2% of general revenue
>> https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets
>
> Yeah, that stuff, but the current push for "equity" rather than equal
> opportunity is far worse. The push to lower school standards is a
> terrible thing. The socialist movement has essentially federalized
> the public schools through the unions. There's also been a continuous
> push by leftists to elect the President by a national popular vote.
> Socialists are collectivists.. Pure democracy is two wolves and a
> lamb deciding what's for dinner.
>
> You do realize that any money the feds give to states comes from money
> that they collected from the states, don't you. Floridians pay more
> per capita than the state receives in aide.
> https://howmuch.net/articles/federal-budget-receipts-and-expenditures-across-the-united-states
>
> The feds are running an income redistribution scheme, a socialist kind
> of thing, actually, it's pure marxism, from each according to
> ability....
>

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> > > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>> > > >> I already made my point.
>> > > >
>> > > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>> > > >
>> > > >> >> I'm only
>> > > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>> > > >> >> you.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>> > > >> Like you're doing, here?
>> > > >
>> > > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>> > > >
>> > > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>> > > >> The irony bell is ringing....
>> > > >
>> > > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
>> > > Caught you looking...
>> > > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>> > > >> Ring ring....
>> > > >
>> > > >That's your conscience, pay attention
>> > > >
>> > > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>> > > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>> > > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>> > > >
>> > > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
>> > > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
>> > > Oh well....
>> > > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
>> > > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
>> > > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
>> > > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
>> > > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
>> > > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
>> > > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
>> > > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
>> > > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
>> > > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
>> > > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
>> > > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
>> > > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
>> > > those three legged stands.
>> > >
>> > > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
>> > > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
>> > > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
>> > > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
>> > > brakes, of course, are not possible.
>> > >
>> > > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
>> > > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
>> > > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
>> > > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
>> > > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
>> > > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
>> > > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
>> > > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>> > >
>> > > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
>> > > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
>> > > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
>> > > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
>> > > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
>> > > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
>> > > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
>> > > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
>> > > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
>> > > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
>> > > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
>> > > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
>> > > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
>> > > two wheelers have.
>> > >
>> > > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
>> > > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
>> > > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
>> > > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
>> > > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
>> > > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
>> > > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
>> > > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
>> > > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
>> > > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>> > >
>> > > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
>> > > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
>> > > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
>> > > asked, just a picture.
>> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>>
>> Lou
>
>Frank never added anything to this group even when I invited him to. He would "uh-huh" Jobst all the time even when it had absolutely nothing to do with engineering - something at which Jobst excelled. But when Jobst would start in on bicycles he was no more competent than any other rider and it would drive him wild when I would suggest that. Right here is Frank doing the same thing. Probably worse since in the best of times he was nothing more than a cycling tourist. That's fine but don't give us opinions of high end bikes if you don't have any experience with them. Don't tell us about recumbents if you don't know a thing about them.
>
>By the way - I received and installed that large idler pulley arm onto my Record rear derailleur. Took if for a ride yesterday. Now I can't be sure that it was exactly those large idler pulleys but the pedals seemed to turn a whole lot easier. When I thought I was riding easy at around 12 mph when I looked at the Garmin I was doing 15 or 16. I was using the wheels with the Michelin Pro4's on so that might have been part of the reason.
>
>That long arm with large idlers on it isn't perfect - it has a little too much play in it and if you're not EXACTLY aligned it does make noise trying to shift into another gear. But all in all I was pretty impressed and I can see why the pros are using them. The idlers ARE directional. The chain only engages the idler properly if you have it in the correct direction.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 09:19:20 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/18/2022 4:57 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:48:04 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:49:03 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>>>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>>>>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>>>>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All communist parties share that trait.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
>>>> have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
>>>> moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
>>>
>>> "Socialist ideas"?
>>>
>>> You mean like unemployment payments, aid for unwed mothers, social
>>> security, government loans to collage kids, and central government aid
>>> to the states? Florida gets, as of 2013, some $25,468,800 (dollars in
>>> 1,000s) of Federal aid. About 33.2% of general revenue
>>> https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_aid_to_state_budgets
>>
>> Yeah, that stuff, but the current push for "equity" rather than equal
>> opportunity is far worse. The push to lower school standards is a
>> terrible thing. The socialist movement has essentially federalized
>> the public schools through the unions. There's also been a continuous
>> push by leftists to elect the President by a national popular vote.
>> Socialists are collectivists.. Pure democracy is two wolves and a
>> lamb deciding what's for dinner.
>>
>> You do realize that any money the feds give to states comes from money
>> that they collected from the states, don't you. Floridians pay more
>> per capita than the state receives in aide.
>> https://howmuch.net/articles/federal-budget-receipts-and-expenditures-across-the-united-states
>>
>> The feds are running an income redistribution scheme, a socialist kind
>> of thing, actually, it's pure marxism, from each according to
>> ability....
>>
>
>Small quibble. The modern version is 'each according to his
>connections or utility to The Party.

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:58:08 AM UTC-4, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
> >
> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?

Lou, you're reasonably competent with numbers. Please count the number of times I've posted since
the tricycle rider began his obnoxious trolling. Contrast that with the number of his trolling attempts.
See if you can determine which is greater. As a clue, for the last several days, the count of my posts
has been very close to the count of your posts.

- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> > > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> > > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> >> > > >> I already made my point.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >> I'm only
> >> > > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> >> > > >> >> you.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> >> > > >> Like you're doing, here?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> >> > > >> The irony bell is ringing....
> >> > > >
> >> > > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
> >> > > Caught you looking...
> >> > > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> >> > > >> Ring ring....
> >> > > >
> >> > > >That's your conscience, pay attention
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> >> > > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> >> > > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
> >> > > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
> >> > > Oh well....
> >> > > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
> >> > > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
> >> > > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
> >> > > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
> >> > > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
> >> > > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
> >> > > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
> >> > > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
> >> > > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
> >> > > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
> >> > > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
> >> > > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
> >> > > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
> >> > > those three legged stands.
> >> > >
> >> > > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
> >> > > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
> >> > > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
> >> > > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
> >> > > brakes, of course, are not possible.
> >> > >
> >> > > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
> >> > > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
> >> > > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
> >> > > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
> >> > > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
> >> > > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
> >> > > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
> >> > > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
> >> > >
> >> > > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
> >> > > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
> >> > > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
> >> > > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
> >> > > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
> >> > > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
> >> > > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
> >> > > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
> >> > > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
> >> > > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
> >> > > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
> >> > > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
> >> > > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
> >> > > two wheelers have.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
> >> > > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
> >> > > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
> >> > > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
> >> > > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
> >> > > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
> >> > > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
> >> > > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
> >> > > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
> >> > > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
> >> > > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
> >> > > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
> >> > > asked, just a picture.
> >> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
> >> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
> >> >
> >> > - Frank Krygowski
> >> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> >Frank never added anything to this group even when I invited him to. He would "uh-huh" Jobst all the time even when it had absolutely nothing to do with engineering - something at which Jobst excelled. But when Jobst would start in on bicycles he was no more competent than any other rider and it would drive him wild when I would suggest that. Right here is Frank doing the same thing. Probably worse since in the best of times he was nothing more than a cycling tourist. That's fine but don't give us opinions of high end bikes if you don't have any experience with them. Don't tell us about recumbents if you don't know a thing about them.
> >
> >By the way - I received and installed that large idler pulley arm onto my Record rear derailleur. Took if for a ride yesterday. Now I can't be sure that it was exactly those large idler pulleys but the pedals seemed to turn a whole lot easier. When I thought I was riding easy at around 12 mph when I looked at the Garmin I was doing 15 or 16. I was using the wheels with the Michelin Pro4's on so that might have been part of the reason.
> >
> >That long arm with large idlers on it isn't perfect - it has a little too much play in it and if you're not EXACTLY aligned it does make noise trying to shift into another gear. But all in all I was pretty impressed and I can see why the pros are using them. The idlers ARE directional. The chain only engages the idler properly if you have it in the correct direction.
> The idlers I was referring to on recumbents are for getting the chain
> around a bend. A direct path from my chain rings to my cassett would
> have to pass though my body.
> https://tinyurl.com/2n9byhop
>
> One of the initial reasons I found this newsgroup was to ask about
> Derailleurs. Mine has around 35000 miles on it and although it seems
> to shift fine and the idlers don't look worn, I wondered if anyone
> knew about the lifespan of them. The bearing sufaces of the idlers
> must be terribly worn by now. I've seen where the idlers can be
> replaced, but maybe it's time for new derailleur. She's a nine speed
> and I'm not interested in changing that.
Usually the point of failure is that they get a grease buildup from chain lubricants which slowly over time gathers heavy dirt. This causes the idler to gain friction turning. And then the chain and pressure eat the teeth off of the idler. I clean them all the time so I don't have problems. But you can buy idlers from the third person market that have sealed ball bearings in them and those roll easier all of the time. But sealed bearings DO wear out while the bushing in the stock idlers takes a very long time to wear.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:58:08 AM UTC-4, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>> >
>> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>
>Lou, you're reasonably competent with numbers. Please count the number of times I've posted since
>the tricycle rider began his obnoxious trolling. Contrast that with the number of his trolling attempts.
>See if you can determine which is greater. As a clue, for the last several days, the count of my posts
>has been very close to the count of your posts.
>
>- Frank Krygowski
>

You don't have to hide from me, Frank. I'm not going to ride you down
and hurt you.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> > > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> > > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>> >> > > >> I already made my point.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >> I'm only
>> >> > > >> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>> >> > > >> >> you.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>> >> > > >> Like you're doing, here?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>> >> > > >> The irony bell is ringing....
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
>> >> > > Caught you looking...
>> >> > > >> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>> >> > > >> Ring ring....
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >That's your conscience, pay attention
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>> >> > > >> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>> >> > > >> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
>> >> > > You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
>> >> > > Oh well....
>> >> > > > Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
>> >> > > Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
>> >> > > than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
>> >> > > Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
>> >> > > issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
>> >> > > that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
>> >> > > we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
>> >> > > important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
>> >> > > alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
>> >> > > rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
>> >> > > two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
>> >> > > into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
>> >> > > on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
>> >> > > those three legged stands.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
>> >> > > a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
>> >> > > have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
>> >> > > front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
>> >> > > brakes, of course, are not possible.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
>> >> > > more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
>> >> > > rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
>> >> > > braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
>> >> > > on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
>> >> > > wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
>> >> > > situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
>> >> > > has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
>> >> > > an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
>> >> > > the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
>> >> > > many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
>> >> > > return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
>> >> > > simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
>> >> > > boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
>> >> > > quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
>> >> > > length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
>> >> > > chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
>> >> > > have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
>> >> > > road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
>> >> > > I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
>> >> > > two wheelers have.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
>> >> > > any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
>> >> > > over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
>> >> > > years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
>> >> > > back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
>> >> > > technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
>> >> > > replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
>> >> > > front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
>> >> > > em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
>> >> > > tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
>> >> > > replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
>> >> > > hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
>> >> > > asked, just a picture.
>> >> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>> >> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>> >> >
>> >> > - Frank Krygowski
>> >> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >
>> >Frank never added anything to this group even when I invited him to. He would "uh-huh" Jobst all the time even when it had absolutely nothing to do with engineering - something at which Jobst excelled. But when Jobst would start in on bicycles he was no more competent than any other rider and it would drive him wild when I would suggest that. Right here is Frank doing the same thing. Probably worse since in the best of times he was nothing more than a cycling tourist. That's fine but don't give us opinions of high end bikes if you don't have any experience with them. Don't tell us about recumbents if you don't know a thing about them.
>> >
>> >By the way - I received and installed that large idler pulley arm onto my Record rear derailleur. Took if for a ride yesterday. Now I can't be sure that it was exactly those large idler pulleys but the pedals seemed to turn a whole lot easier. When I thought I was riding easy at around 12 mph when I looked at the Garmin I was doing 15 or 16. I was using the wheels with the Michelin Pro4's on so that might have been part of the reason.
>> >
>> >That long arm with large idlers on it isn't perfect - it has a little too much play in it and if you're not EXACTLY aligned it does make noise trying to shift into another gear. But all in all I was pretty impressed and I can see why the pros are using them. The idlers ARE directional. The chain only engages the idler properly if you have it in the correct direction.
>> The idlers I was referring to on recumbents are for getting the chain
>> around a bend. A direct path from my chain rings to my cassett would
>> have to pass though my body.
>> https://tinyurl.com/2n9byhop
>>
>> One of the initial reasons I found this newsgroup was to ask about
>> Derailleurs. Mine has around 35000 miles on it and although it seems
>> to shift fine and the idlers don't look worn, I wondered if anyone
>> knew about the lifespan of them. The bearing sufaces of the idlers
>> must be terribly worn by now. I've seen where the idlers can be
>> replaced, but maybe it's time for new derailleur. She's a nine speed
>> and I'm not interested in changing that.
>Usually the point of failure is that they get a grease buildup from chain lubricants which slowly over time gathers heavy dirt. This causes the idler to gain friction turning. And then the chain and pressure eat the teeth off of the idler. I clean them all the time so I don't have problems. But you can buy idlers from the third person market that have sealed ball bearings in them and those roll easier all of the time. But sealed bearings DO wear out while the bushing in the stock idlers takes a very long time to wear.
>
>I cannot remember wearing one of the ball bearing units out but I have ruined many of the stock idlers until I learned to only use wax and clean the chain all of the time. I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I bought off of Ebay for $30 and I use a heavy degreasing soap from an auto parts store to clean the chain. Then I also bought a hot pot from a used everything store and melted maybe 4 candles in an added a handful of Teflon dust. After cleaning, washing and drying I put it in the super slippery wax and let it sit for 20 minutes or so until it stops bubbling which hopefully means that all of the air has been displaced in the rollers by slippery wax. Be VERY careful removing this because even on "low" the hot pot makes the chain VERY hot. I hang the chain off of a hook to dry and cool and then put it on the bike.
>
>Done correctly there is little excess wax on the chain but it still is difficult to move for a little while so threading it though the front and rear derailleurs is a little difficult. It will also throw wax particles off of the sides of the chain plates for awhile.

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 8:16:12 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 08:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:58:08 AM UTC-4, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
> >> > Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
> >> >
> >> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
> >
> >Lou, you're reasonably competent with numbers. Please count the number of times I've posted since
> >the tricycle rider began his obnoxious trolling. Contrast that with the number of his trolling attempts.
> >See if you can determine which is greater. As a clue, for the last several days, the count of my posts
> >has been very close to the count of your posts.
> >
> >- Frank Krygowski
> >
> You don't have to hide from me, Frank. I'm not going to ride you down
> and hurt you.

Well, I wouldn't ride him down and hurt him either but I would love a picture of me standing next to him. It would be beauty and the beast.

On 9/18/2022 9:47 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:58:06 AM UTC+2, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:02:09 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
>>>>>>> I already made my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm only
>>>>>>>>> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
>>>>>>> Like you're doing, here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
>>>>>>> The irony bell is ringing....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.
>>>>> Caught you looking...
>>>>>>>> To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
>>>>>>> Ring ring....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's your conscience, pay attention
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
>>>>>>> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
>>>>>>> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems.
>>>>> You really think fastening down shift cables is a technical problem?
>>>>> Oh well....
>>>>>> Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.
>>>>> Truth is we trikers actually have more technical issues to deal with
>>>>> than two wheel bikers. The only thing a two wheel bike has that my
>>>>> Catrike doesn't have is the front fork that transmits all the road
>>>>> issues right up to your shoulders and a seat that's so uncomfortable
>>>>> that many of you have to wear pads in your pants. Instead of the fork
>>>>> we have two headsets to deal with and the correct tightness is more
>>>>> important because of how it can mess up the alignment. Speaking of the
>>>>> alignment, if it's incorrect, it can wear the tires and increase
>>>>> rolling resistance. Aligning the front wheel, (toe in) is something
>>>>> two wheelers don't have to deal with. I've built alignment devices
>>>>> into my trike maintenance stand. Turning a trike over and setting it
>>>>> on bars and seat doesn't work, nor can you just clamp it onto one of
>>>>> those three legged stands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whereas the rear wheel setup is just about the same as a two wheeler,
>>>>> a trike has two sets of front wheels and bearings to deal with. We
>>>>> have two front wheels to keep the spokes tight and aligned, and two
>>>>> front brakes to align disks and calipers. The ridiculous old rim
>>>>> brakes, of course, are not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> High speed braking on a bicycle has always been an issue, but even
>>>>> more so on a trike. On most bikes, front wheel braking lightens the
>>>>> rear and threatens linear stability. On a trike, uneven front wheel
>>>>> braking threatens the linear stability even more. Weight distribution
>>>>> on a trike is more forward and many trikers have experienced the rear
>>>>> wheel lifting completely off the ground even in moderate braking
>>>>> situations. Lightening the rear along with uneven front wheel braking
>>>>> has sent a few trikers head over heels.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Catrike requires just short of thirteen feet of chain and there's
>>>>> an issue of getting that chain stretched from the bottom bracket to
>>>>> the rear wheel. An idler gear is standard issue for the power side and
>>>>> many trikers replace the original chain tube with an idler on the
>>>>> return side. Most two wheelers can change their pedal stroke length by
>>>>> simply raising or lowering the seat. I can do that by adjusting my
>>>>> boom length, but that also affects my chain. If I move the boom a
>>>>> quarter inch, it changes the chain by a half inch. Because of the
>>>>> length of the chain and also the power side idler in the middle, cross
>>>>> chaining something I no longer concern myself with. I do, however,
>>>>> have to deal with the four inch clearance over speed bumps, curbs, and
>>>>> road clutter. Threading through debri and such is more difficult since
>>>>> I have three separate tracks to plan for instead of the one track you
>>>>> two wheelers have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've stated that my 2009 Catrike has never visited a bike shop or had
>>>>> any maintenance other than from me. I bought it new in 2009 and have
>>>>> over 31,000 documented miles on it since 2011. I have almost two full
>>>>> years of undocumented riding. I was doing about 2500 miles a year
>>>>> back then, so you can estimate my total mileage and imagine how many
>>>>> technical issues I might have managed. Almost everything has been
>>>>> replaced at least once except the derailleurs, bottom bracket, and the
>>>>> front hubs and rims. Whereas I do enjoy working on bikes, I don't fix
>>>>> em if they aint broke. Regular maintenance, a little grease and spoke
>>>>> tightening is a good rainy day activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on my fourth set of wheel bearings, ceramics on the front. I
>>>>> replaced the original frame several years ago when I noticed some
>>>>> hairline cracks. Catrike sent me a new one, no charge, no questions
>>>>> asked, just a picture.
>>>> I bet there's a tricycle discussion group where people might be interested in all that.
>>>> Or maybe a multi-user path riders' discussion group? Internet troll group?
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> Frank you are looking silier and sillier in this thread. Your own words to me more than once ‘if you don’t like this discussion ignore it’. Does that not apply to you?
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> Frank never added anything to this group even when I invited him to. He would "uh-huh" Jobst all the time even when it had absolutely nothing to do with engineering - something at which Jobst excelled. But when Jobst would start in on bicycles he was no more competent than any other rider and it would drive him wild when I would suggest that. Right here is Frank doing the same thing. Probably worse since in the best of times he was nothing more than a cycling tourist. That's fine but don't give us opinions of high end bikes if you don't have any experience with them. Don't tell us about recumbents if you don't know a thing about them.
>>
>> By the way - I received and installed that large idler pulley arm onto my Record rear derailleur. Took if for a ride yesterday. Now I can't be sure that it was exactly those large idler pulleys but the pedals seemed to turn a whole lot easier. When I thought I was riding easy at around 12 mph when I looked at the Garmin I was doing 15 or 16. I was using the wheels with the Michelin Pro4's on so that might have been part of the reason.
>>
>> That long arm with large idlers on it isn't perfect - it has a little too much play in it and if you're not EXACTLY aligned it does make noise trying to shift into another gear. But all in all I was pretty impressed and I can see why the pros are using them. The idlers ARE directional. The chain only engages the idler properly if you have it in the correct direction.
>
> The idlers I was referring to on recumbents are for getting the chain
> around a bend. A direct path from my chain rings to my cassett would
> have to pass though my body.
> https://tinyurl.com/2n9byhop
>
> One of the initial reasons I found this newsgroup was to ask about
> Derailleurs. Mine has around 35000 miles on it and although it seems
> to shift fine and the idlers don't look worn, I wondered if anyone
> knew about the lifespan of them. The bearing sufaces of the idlers
> must be terribly worn by now. I've seen where the idlers can be
> replaced, but maybe it's time for new derailleur. She's a nine speed
> and I'm not interested in changing that.
>