On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
>>
>> <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
>> highways than you.
>
>If so, why not answer my questions?

I enjoy thumbing my nose at you.

>How long did you commute by bike?
>What's your longest one-day ride?
>How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
>How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
>How many bike tours have you completed?
>What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
>
>I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
>because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.

<SHRUG> Reason away.... Be my guest.. Imagine wharever you want about
me. Imagine that I'm just like the fat guitar player you spoke about
if it blows your hair back. Imagine, that I really am him. I'm
actually pretty good on a guitar.

>- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:03:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/13/2022 10:22 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> >> have to visit any city.
>> >
>> > A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>> > into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>> > handgun.
>> >
>> > To a folk music concert!
>> >
>> > This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>> > stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>> > because he had personality conflicts with people.
>> >
>> > Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>> > with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>> >
>> > - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> Like cyclists, firearm owners come in every shape and size
>> with widely variant political opinions and skill levels.
>> They greatly outnumber cyclists so variance is built in.
>>
>> including women:
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10865783/West-Virginia-woman-praised-using-pistol-shoot-dead-gunman-AR-15.html
>>
>> including pregnant women:
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-invader-fatally-shot-florida-pregnant-woman-ar-15-n1076026
>
>As I've mentioned before, I appreciate the thoughtful use of normal curves. Every normal curve
>has two tails, and at those extremes there are very unusual cases or events. Those unusual cases don't
>invalidate the vast majority at the center of the curve.
>
>Among the handgun carriers I've met and talked with, the most common characteristic has
>been fear, or timidity. I think that's the characteristic that defines the bulk of handgun carriers.
>"I'm afraid, so I'm taking a gun with me."

As if you have the ability to evaluate other's "characteristics," or
even the ability to recognize a "handgun carrier, let alone talk with
them.

>I can give other examples - like the woman working as an EMT who told us "I take calls in some really bad
>neighborhoods!" Well, my wife worked as a therapist, visiting people from wealthy suburbs to rural zones
>to those same inner city neighborhoods. She never even thought of carrying a handgun.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 12:10:59 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 09:03:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2022 10:22 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>> >> have to visit any city.
>>> >
>>> > A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>>> > into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>>> > handgun.
>>> >
>>> > To a folk music concert!
>>> >
>>> > This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>>> > stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>>> > because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>> >
>>> > Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>>> > with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>>> >
>>> > - Frank Krygowski
>>> >
>>> Like cyclists, firearm owners come in every shape and size
>>> with widely variant political opinions and skill levels.
>>> They greatly outnumber cyclists so variance is built in.
>>>
>>> including women:
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10865783/West-Virginia-woman-praised-using-pistol-shoot-dead-gunman-AR-15.html
>>>
>>> including pregnant women:
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/home-invader-fatally-shot-florida-pregnant-woman-ar-15-n1076026
>>
>>As I've mentioned before, I appreciate the thoughtful use of normal curves. Every normal curve
>>has two tails, and at those extremes there are very unusual cases or events. Those unusual cases don't
>>invalidate the vast majority at the center of the curve.
>>
>>Among the handgun carriers I've met and talked with, the most common characteristic has
>>been fear, or timidity. I think that's the characteristic that defines the bulk of handgun carriers.
>>"I'm afraid, so I'm taking a gun with me."
>
>As if you have the ability to evaluate other's "characteristics," or
>even the ability to recognize a "handgun carrier, let alone talk with
>them.
>
>>I can give other examples - like the woman working as an EMT who told us "I take calls in some really bad
>>neighborhoods!" Well, my wife worked as a therapist, visiting people from wealthy suburbs to rural zones
>>to those same inner city neighborhoods. She never even thought of carrying a handgun.
>>
>>- Frank Krygowski

Now that I think about it, if you really did talk some gun carrying
guy about gun(s), he/she probably was a pussy. Real defense carrying
people don't ever identify themselves as carrying, not even to friends
who suspect they might be carrying. I wouldn't do it here unless I was
sure I was anonymous. When I carry, I carry concealed and I would
continue that way even if it was not required, as it is here in
Florida. People who open carry under normal circimstacnes are called
kaboys, and are to be avoided. I doubt anyone has ever spotted my gun
unless they were actually looking for it. If someone other than a LEO
asked if I was carrying, I'd simply walk away. It's a little more
obvious on the Catrike because I don't carry it on me and yet it must
be within easy reach. I suppose someone might wonder why I have a sock
hanging over one of water bottles. I once had a park ranger ask if
what he was looking at was what he thought it was. I said, "that
depends on what you think it is." He just smiled and went on his way.
Yeah, I do love living in Florida..

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 8:36:59 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >> have to visit any city.
> >
> >A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
> >into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
> >handgun.
> >
> >To a folk music concert!
> >
> >This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
> >stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
> >because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >
> >Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
> >with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
> >
> >- Frank Krygowski
> You ran into a guy with a gun, he was fat, and he's stuck in your
> memory? That's your story in a bicycle forum?
Frank is violently afraid of guns. So anything he has to say about them you can simply write off to fear so great that it is sickness.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:53:12 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
> >
> > <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
> > highways than you.
> If so, why not answer my questions?
>
> How long did you commute by bike?
> What's your longest one-day ride?
> How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
> How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
> How many bike tours have you completed?
> What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
>
> I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
> because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:53:12 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
>> >
>> > <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
>> > highways than you.
>> If so, why not answer my questions?
>>
>> How long did you commute by bike?
>> What's your longest one-day ride?
>> How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
>> How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
>> How many bike tours have you completed?
>> What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
>>
>> I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
>> because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.

Naw, I'm probably not going to stick around very long. The real ship
of fools is in the White House and they're almost too much fun.
They're out celebrating today while the stock market is taking another
shit.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 2:04:11 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:53:12 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
> >> >
> >> > <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
> >> > highways than you.
> >> If so, why not answer my questions?
> >>
> >> How long did you commute by bike?
> >> What's your longest one-day ride?
> >> How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
> >> How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
> >> How many bike tours have you completed?
> >> What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
> >>
> >> I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
> >> because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.
> >>
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> >
> > I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.
> Naw, I'm probably not going to stick around very long. The real ship
> of fools is in the White House and they're almost too much fun.
> They're out celebrating today while the stock market is taking another
> shit.

If there's one thing that Flunky cannot stand, it is someone speaking their mind. He wants to silence anyone that disagrees with him and if I ever discover who he really is he is in very deep shit. I will publish his identity to every bicycle group on the internet. Him and Pencil-neck Seaton are loud mouth liars. Flunky likes to pretend that he rides a bike but if he did why would he have the absolute need to use a pseudonym and hide his identity? Seaton has described his bikes. They are not bad bikes but they are not racing bikes and never were. So why the pretense that he is some sort of expert racer?

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:48:35 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> > On 9/11/2022 1:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
> > >>
> > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > > Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. I very
> > > seldom do it anymore.
> > As soon as the author quoted John Forester she lost all credibility.
> That's a fact-free , anti-intellectual response! Why not deal with the factual portions of the article?
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Because such general acceptance as Forester ever had he got under false pretences, which are now known, so that he has zero acceptability among thoughtful cyclists. You have a lot to do with the poor repute in which Forester is held on RBT, Franki-boy.
>
Andre Jute
No British snobs wanted here.
>

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> >>> >
> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>
> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>
> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >>
> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >
> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >couldn't come up witha response..
> >
> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >
> >
> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >biking courage and experience.
> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >>really are more than mine.
> >
> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >
> >>- Frank Krygowski
> >
> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >personal information?
>
Control.
>

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 8:28:30 PM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> > >> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> > >> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> > >> >
> > >> >- Frank Krygowski
> > >> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> > >> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> > >> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> > >> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> > >
> > >That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> > >to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> > >
> > >> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > >> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> > >
> > >OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> > lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> > because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> > couldn't come up witha response..
> Bad assumption.
> > >How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > >by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > >How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > >roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > >foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > >100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > >How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> > biking courage and experience.
> If you had done bike camping, you would know you are wrong. And organizing a multi-hundred
> rider event certainly does require experience and knowledge about cycling.
> > >Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > >really are more than mine.
> > <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> > evaluation of my "courage and experience...
>
> Gosh, a day ago you were guessing you knew as much as I do!
>
> I will concede, you probably know more than I do about one aspect of cycling: hauling a tricycle
> around in a pickup truck and unloading it to ride back and forth on a bike path. But your lack of
> detailed response is adequate proof you know much less than I do about cycling.
>
> Again, perhaps that's fine for you. Do whatever it takes to keep yourself moving. But don't pretend to
> any real expertise regarding cycling.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
There's shorthand for all that genteel outrage, Franki-boy. It's often called "cocks on the table."
>

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:48:35 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> > > On 9/11/2022 1:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
> > > >>
> > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > >
> > > > Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. I very
> > > > seldom do it anymore.
> > > As soon as the author quoted John Forester she lost all credibility.
> > That's a fact-free , anti-intellectual response! Why not deal with the factual portions of the article?
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Because such general acceptance as Forester ever had he got under false pretences, which are now known, so that he has zero acceptability among thoughtful cyclists. You have a lot to do with the poor repute in which Forester is held on RBT, Franki-boy.
> >
> Andre Jute
> No British snobs wanted here.
> >
As I recall, John Forester wrote a book and on bicycle transportation and was therefore worshiped as a bicycling God. He seem OK to me but he was someone who spend the majority of his life in Berkeley and suffered from all of the extreme left foibles. He knew it all and no one else had a say in it. I liked him but it isn't as if I ever was able to get any rides with him since by the time I met him he was old and slow.

Today I find myself old and slow but save for the stupid six, I respect the opinions of others. Lou and I can disagree and yet respect each other. Next time I descend the north side of Palomares I will tell him what speed I recorded. Our European members are far more bicycle oriented than most of the Americans I know. I can no longer go on tours or race. My medication for the concussion is too limiting. But I CAN do all of the rides in the bay area and that is a lot of rides.

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 11:36:53 PM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 4:50:54 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> > >> biking courage and experience.
> > >
> > >If you had done bike camping, you would know you are wrong.
> > Bad assumption.
> Hmm. You're saying you wouldn't know you were wrong even if you _had_ done some bike
> camping? OK, that's more reasonable than most of what you've written.
> > >And organizing a multi-hundred
> > >rider event certainly does require experience and knowledge about cycling.
> > Nonsense, but it might require a desire to tell others what to do.
> It sounds like you're guessing based on zero experience.You're certainly being very closed mouth
> about your actual experience. Please tell us about the invitational bike rides you've organized.
> Did yours ever win a national award? (Mine did, from the League of American Bicyclists.)
>
> In fact, please tell us about the organized century rides you've attended. If you did have experience,
> you'd know there's not much "telling people what to do" involved. There is lots of work choosing good
> routes, marking routes, providing maps, organizing lunch and snack stops, providing support repairs, etc.
> People choose whether or not to do the ride, whether or not to follow the route precisely, etc. and are
> glad for the support. They are happy enough that they pay money for the privilege of riding the route.
> > Actually, I was assuming I knew more than you. I'm still pretty sure I
> > do.
> It shouldn't be very hard to explain why, if you actually have relevant experience. Your silence (except
> for insults) is very telling.
> > >I will concede, you probably know more than I do about one aspect of cycling: hauling a tricycle
> > >around in a pickup truck and unloading it to ride back and forth on a bike path. But your lack of
> > >detailed response is adequate proof you know much less than I do about cycling.
> > Ah yes, you gave me detailed orders and I told you to shove them up
> > your ass.
> You told us nothing because you've got nothing. If you knew anything, you'd have proven it by now.
> Get back on your socialist-provided bike path and pottle away. But do be careful! For some people,
> riding is very, very scary!
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Here we go again, Kreepy Krygowski trying to set himself up as a temple dog. He never learns.
>

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 8:28:30 PM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> > > >> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> > > >> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >- Frank Krygowski
> > > >> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> > > >> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> > > >> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> > > >> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> > > >
> > > >That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> > > >to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> > > >
> > > >> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > > >> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> > > >
> > > >OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > > <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> > > lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> > > because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> > > couldn't come up witha response..
> > Bad assumption.
> > > >How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > > >by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > > >How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > > >roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > > >foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > > >100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > > >How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > > <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> > > biking courage and experience.
> > If you had done bike camping, you would know you are wrong. And organizing a multi-hundred
> > rider event certainly does require experience and knowledge about cycling.
> > > >Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > > >really are more than mine.
> > > <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> > > evaluation of my "courage and experience...
> >
> > Gosh, a day ago you were guessing you knew as much as I do!
> >
> > I will concede, you probably know more than I do about one aspect of cycling: hauling a tricycle
> > around in a pickup truck and unloading it to ride back and forth on a bike path. But your lack of
> > detailed response is adequate proof you know much less than I do about cycling.
> >
> > Again, perhaps that's fine for you. Do whatever it takes to keep yourself moving. But don't pretend to
> > any real expertise regarding cycling.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> There's shorthand for all that genteel outrage, Franki-boy. It's often called "cocks on the table."
> >
I think that is beyond Frank. He will have to ask John what that means and John won't be able to find it on Google.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:18:56 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 8:28:30 PM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> > > > >> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> > > > >> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >- Frank Krygowski
> > > > >> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> > > > >> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> > > > >> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> > > > >> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> > > > >
> > > > >That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> > > > >to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> > > > >
> > > > >> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > > > >> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> > > > >
> > > > >OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > > > <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> > > > lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> > > > because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> > > > couldn't come up witha response..
> > > Bad assumption.
> > > > >How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > > > >by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > > > >How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > > > >roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > > > >foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > > > >100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > > > >How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > > > <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> > > > biking courage and experience.
> > > If you had done bike camping, you would know you are wrong. And organizing a multi-hundred
> > > rider event certainly does require experience and knowledge about cycling.
> > > > >Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > > > >really are more than mine.
> > > > <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> > > > evaluation of my "courage and experience...
> > >
> > > Gosh, a day ago you were guessing you knew as much as I do!
> > >
> > > I will concede, you probably know more than I do about one aspect of cycling: hauling a tricycle
> > > around in a pickup truck and unloading it to ride back and forth on a bike path. But your lack of
> > > detailed response is adequate proof you know much less than I do about cycling.
> > >
> > > Again, perhaps that's fine for you. Do whatever it takes to keep yourself moving. But don't pretend to
> > > any real expertise regarding cycling.
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > There's shorthand for all that genteel outrage, Franki-boy. It's often called "cocks on the table."
> > >
> I think that is beyond Frank. He will have to ask John what that means and John won't be able to find it on Google.
>
Heh-heh! For an amusing mental exercise, try to imagine Franki-boy as one of the boys. His arrogant manner will get him beaten up three times a day.
>

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >>
>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >>
>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >>
>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >
>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>> >
>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >
>> >
>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >biking courage and experience.
>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >>really are more than mine.
>> >
>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >
>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >personal information?
>>
>Control.

Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
hurts them. Damned good fun.

Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
them what to do.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>> have to visit any city.
>
>A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>handgun.
>
>To a folk music concert!
>
>This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>because he had personality conflicts with people.
>
>Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

I like that.

You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
slobs.

I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
never tell the truth.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>> have to visit any city.
>>
>>A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>>into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>>handgun.
>>
>>To a folk music concert!
>>
>>This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>>stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>>because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>
>>Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>>with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>>
>>- Frank Krygowski
>
>I like that.
>
>You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>slobs.
>
>I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>never tell the truth.

Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 07:54:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/13/2022 1:36 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 21:46:39 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:30:42 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>
>>>>> Franks a bit of a curmudgeon here, but at the end of the day he's one of the more worthy individuals to have technical discussion with unlike certain other individuals that claim to be in the upper echelon of cycling technology but can't figure out a fucking quick link (https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7oGPAc0MWIA/m/Z4vNkmV1BgAJ). As far as your alleged political debating prowess, he might have sensed you gravitating toward the RBT magatard side of the spectrum along with andre the useless - who continues to use this forum as nothing but his own personal political toilet - and RBT's own Walter Mitty (aka tommy the liar) - who has come up with such gems as 'there was no recession before obama took office' and 'i couldn't figure out why my bike wouldn't shift until I bought the special campy non-stretch shifting cables' (the list is nearly endless) - I think it's far more likely frank would rather disengage than perform an exercise akin to wrestling with a pig.*
>>>>>
>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly you've never done either.
>>>> Clearly you don't have a clue.
>>>>> They both do, and quite dramatically. Such activities contribute _greatly_ to ones cycling acumen. If someone wanted to talk to me about handling or repairing a bike under difficult conditions, I would certainly pay more attention to an experienced bike-packer than someone who rides a three-wheeler on a paved bike path. I have a great deal of respect for someone who can ride for a hundred miles in hilly terrain on a touring bike loaded with camping gear, especially in inclement weather. That's not to imply that I _don't_ respect the bike-path-trike-rider, I respect anyone who gets out on an HPV, but to claim that bikepacking and organizing events "adds nothing" is completely wrong.
>>>> Fixing a bike, while all alone in the rain with tools and parts
>>>> carried on that bike requires far more knowledge and experience than
>>>> having a vehicle following along with an exprienced bike mechanic and
>>>> lots of tools. Camping is a skill I learned as child. The knowledge is
>>>> knowing what to bring and how to use it. Real camping, BTW, is never
>>>> going to be done where you can ride a bicycle.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm. Are the hikers who walk the 2000 miles of the Appalachian Trail considered to be real campers by you? I guess they are real campers since they are walking. But what about the Adventure Cycling Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail. Its about 3000 miles long from Canada down to Mexico. Its 2100 miles of unpaved dirt/gravel roads, 60 miles of singletrack, 950 miles of blacktop, and 50 miles of bike trails. I am sure in many parts of this route the bikers are far from any civilization and must carry all camping gear and cook their own food. And find water in creeks. Are they also excluded from being called real campers?
>>>
>>> My bike camping has been in state parks mostly. Bathrooms and shower facilities. And buy food in town at the store or restaurant. But I carried all my camping gear on my bike. Paved roads only.
>>
>> I guess I'd have to ask, "What is Camping?" The first guy to ride a
>> bicycle across the U.S., in 1884, was a bloke named Thomas Stevens
>> who carried a spare pair of socks, a spare shirt, an "overcoat" and a
>> pistol.
>>
>
>
>heh heh definition depends on where you are and with whom
>you associate!
>
>https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/2019/05/231566/camp-fashion-gay-culture-drag-lgbtq-history

(:-) I think they was a different sort of "camp" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 2:04:11 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:53:12 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
> > >> >
> > >> > <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
> > >> > highways than you.
> > >> If so, why not answer my questions?
> > >>
> > >> How long did you commute by bike?
> > >> What's your longest one-day ride?
> > >> How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
> > >> How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
> > >> How many bike tours have you completed?
> > >> What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
> > >>
> > >> I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
> > >> because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.
> > >>
> > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > > I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.
> > Naw, I'm probably not going to stick around very long. The real ship
> > of fools is in the White House and they're almost too much fun.
> > They're out celebrating today while the stock market is taking another
> > shit.
> If there's one thing that Flunky cannot stand, it is someone speaking their mind. He wants to silence anyone that disagrees with him and if I ever discover who he really is he is in very deep shit. I will publish his identity to every bicycle group on the internet. Him and Pencil-neck Seaton are loud mouth liars. Flunky likes to pretend that he rides a bike but if he did why would he have the absolute need to use a pseudonym and hide his identity? Seaton has described his bikes. They are not bad bikes but they are not racing bikes and never were. So why the pretense that he is some sort of expert racer?

I have a couple bike frames that may have been used as race bikes by some team or another in the past. Not my personal bikes. But the models I own. Cannondale CAAD9, Litespeed Tuscany, Ridley Excalibur. At one time they were towards the upper end, above the middle, for their manufacturers. As for claiming I am some sort of expert racer? I would like you to produce a link of me saying that. I did participate in three different races decades ago. Two were road races, and one was a criterium. I got third place in the criterium. Still have the trophy. Do you have any trophies Tommy? I used my CAAD9 for the third place victory. Chorus and Centaur 9 speed components on that bike. Mario Cipollini used a Cannondale CAAD4 at the Tour de France in 1999. So my CAAD9 definitely has some racing history in its background.

As for using a pseudonym and hiding his identity, what do you think about your new best friend Catrike?

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 4:30:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 2:04:11 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:53:12 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > ... you give your opinions on bicycling when you ride only on a tricycle, only on a bike/pedestrian path?
> > >> >
> > >> > <CHUCKLE> I probably have more miles on two wheelers on roads and
> > >> > highways than you.
> > >> If so, why not answer my questions?
> > >>
> > >> How long did you commute by bike?
> > >> What's your longest one-day ride?
> > >> How many century or century-plus rides have you done?
> > >> How many states have you ridden in? How many countries? How many cities?
> > >> How many bike tours have you completed?
> > >> What's your experience road racing? How about time trialing?
> > >>
> > >> I can ask more relevant questions. But so far all you've mentioned is riding a tricycle on a MUP,
> > >> because you're afraid of traffic. That gives us no reason to even consider your opinions.
> > >>
> > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > > I think we basically have another andre on our hands, except that unfortunately this one isn't nearly as intelligent.
> > Naw, I'm probably not going to stick around very long. The real ship
> > of fools is in the White House and they're almost too much fun.
> > They're out celebrating today while the stock market is taking another
> > shit.
> If there's one thing that Flunky cannot stand, it is someone speaking their mind. He wants to silence anyone that disagrees with him and if I ever discover who he really is he is in very deep shit. I will publish his identity to every bicycle group on the internet. Him and Pencil-neck Seaton are loud mouth liars.

Sorry, forgot to respond to this in the prior post. But, Tommy calling me a liar? That is rich.

> Flunky likes to pretend that he rides a bike but if he did why would he have the absolute need to use a pseudonym and hide his identity? Seaton has described his bikes. They are not bad bikes but they are not racing bikes and never were. So why the pretense that he is some sort of expert racer?

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:16:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:48:35 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> > > > On 9/11/2022 1:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - Frank Krygowski
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. I very
> > > > > seldom do it anymore.
> > > > As soon as the author quoted John Forester she lost all credibility..
> > > That's a fact-free , anti-intellectual response! Why not deal with the factual portions of the article?
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > Because such general acceptance as Forester ever had he got under false pretences, which are now known, so that he has zero acceptability among thoughtful cyclists. You have a lot to do with the poor repute in which Forester is held on RBT, Franki-boy.
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > No British snobs wanted here.
> > >
> As I recall, John Forester wrote a book and on bicycle transportation and was therefore worshiped as a bicycling God. He seem OK to me but he was someone who spend the majority of his life in Berkeley and suffered from all of the extreme left foibles. He knew it all and no one else had a say in it.. I liked him but it isn't as if I ever was able to get any rides with him since by the time I met him he was old and slow.
>
> Today I find myself old and slow but save for the stupid six, I respect the opinions of others. Lou and I can disagree and yet respect each other.

Not to speak for Lou, whom I do not know personally. But I am very doubtful Lou has any respect at all for you Tommy. Just like the rest of us here on RBT have no respect for you Tommy.

> Next time I descend the north side of Palomares I will tell him what speed I recorded. Our European members are far more bicycle oriented than most of the Americans I know. I can no longer go on tours or race. My medication for the concussion is too limiting. But I CAN do all of the rides in the bay area and that is a lot of rides.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:52:50 PM UTC-5, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
> >>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
> >>> have to visit any city.
> >>
> >>A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
> >>into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
> >>handgun.
> >>
> >>To a folk music concert!
> >>
> >>This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
> >>stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
> >>because he had personality conflicts with people.
> >>
> >>Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
> >>with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
> >>
> >>- Frank Krygowski
> >
> >I like that.
> >
> >You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
> >slobs.
> >
> >I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
> >braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
> >never tell the truth.
> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.

No. Misinterpretation by you. Joe Biden clearly said the MAGA extremists of the Republican party were the dangerous ones. Obviously, sadly, others also chose to vote for Trump in 2016 and 2020. It is very similar to the somewhat recent abortion vote in Kansas. A vast majority of Kansans voted for Trump instead of Biden in 2020. Yet on the abortion vote, outlawing abortion in Kansas, a vast majority voted to not do that at all. Yet the Republicans politicians foam and froth at the mouth about the evil of abortion. Clearly, not all Republicans support that extreme view of abortion. A majority of Kansas, a heavily Republican state, think abortion should remain legal and not be outlawed. Therefore, it is possible to have Trump voters who are not the extremist MAGAs.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>
>>> A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a
>>> very large city. We ran
>>> into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed
>>> us that he was carrying a
>>> handgun.
>>>
>>> To a folk music concert!
>>>
>>> This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal
>>> manner. He had a special
>>> stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also
>>> stopped playing with us
>>> because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>
>>> Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a
>>> muscular Rambo "good guy
>>> with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight
>>> and very, very timid.
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> I like that.
>>
>> You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>> slobs.
>>
>> I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>> braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>> never tell the truth.
>
> Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
> says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.
>

Well, if your average Taliban member wanted to kill an American, they would
need a passport and an airline ticket before they could start. You, on the
other hand, just have to pull your gun out of your bottle cage and start
firing.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:52:49 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:41:50 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> ... I'm a registered Republican and I often wear a Blue
>>>> Lives Matter cap and always carry a gun on my bike rides and when I
>>>> have to visit any city.
>>>
>>>A few years ago my friends and I attended a concert of folk music in a very large city. We ran
>>>into a guitarist we knew and had occasionally played with. He informed us that he was carrying a
>>>handgun.
>>>
>>>To a folk music concert!
>>>
>>>This gentleman was so obese that he couldn't hold a guitar in a normal manner. He had a special
>>>stand that supported the guitar away from his immense belly. He also stopped playing with us
>>>because he had personality conflicts with people.
>>>
>>>Ever after, that's been the mental image I get of gun fetishists. Not a muscular Rambo "good guy
>>>with a gun." Instead, slightly obnoxious, physically soft, overweight and very, very timid.
>>>
>>>- Frank Krygowski
>>
>>I like that.
>>
>>You met a fat guy with a gun and therefore gun fetishists are fat
>>slobs.
>>
>>I met an enthusiastic bicyclist right here on RBT who is an ignorant
>>braggart and liar, thus bicycle riders are ignorant, braggarts who
>>never tell the truth.
>
>Well, hell, all of us Trump voters are terrorists, aren't we? Biden
>says I'm more dangerous than the Taliban. I'll drink to that.

Now if Trump could just get himself imprisoned he could write a book
and he could entitle it "My Struggle". But I do see a problem in
burning down the Capital Building as it is all stone and concrete I
believe.

Then the "Enabling Law" and he's set to go.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 17:58:43 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 5:16:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:48:35 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
>> > > > On 9/11/2022 1:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> > > > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> An author in Forbes doesn't like bike lanes. I generally agree.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/09/08/bike-lanes-dont-make-cycling-safe/?sh=534453f74ca8
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> - Frank Krygowski
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. I very
>> > > > > seldom do it anymore.
>> > > > As soon as the author quoted John Forester she lost all credibility.
>> > > That's a fact-free , anti-intellectual response! Why not deal with the factual portions of the article?
>> > >
>> > > - Frank Krygowski
>> > >
>> > Because such general acceptance as Forester ever had he got under false pretences, which are now known, so that he has zero acceptability among thoughtful cyclists. You have a lot to do with the poor repute in which Forester is held on RBT, Franki-boy.
>> > >
>> > Andre Jute
>> > No British snobs wanted here.
>> > >
>> As I recall, John Forester wrote a book and on bicycle transportation and was therefore worshiped as a bicycling God. He seem OK to me but he was someone who spend the majority of his life in Berkeley and suffered from all of the extreme left foibles. He knew it all and no one else had a say in it. I liked him but it isn't as if I ever was able to get any rides with him since by the time I met him he was old and slow.
>>
>> Today I find myself old and slow but save for the stupid six, I respect the opinions of others. Lou and I can disagree and yet respect each other.
>
>Not to speak for Lou, whom I do not know personally. But I am very doubtful Lou has any respect at all for you Tommy. Just like the rest of us here on RBT have no respect for you Tommy.

But, but, but .... Tommy is such an expert on everything under the
sun. Doesn't he tell us that? After all he recounts meetings with
Company Presidents and even a bloke aiming at the position as
President of the U.S. He must be an important guy.

And, just think, all you have to do is agree with him and he will
remove your name from his "kill file" and you will become one of the
anointed and allowed to correspond with this illustrious person.
--
Cheers,

John B.