On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:44:28 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> One of my "hobbies" is pissing people off.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/M1-fTfMWAQAJ
>
>Q.E.D.

That simply demonstates that I'm not likely to back down when a
jackass challenges me.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>> >>
>> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >>
>> >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>> >>
>> >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >>
>> >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >> really are more than mine."
>> >>
>> >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> >> and will continue to do
>> >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> >> friend who occasionally
>> >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> >> to keeping up with me,
>> >> especially on hills.)
>> >>
>> >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> >> overweight as you have been
>> >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> >> don't need a tricycle
>> >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> >> certainly not timid enough
>> >> to need a gun while riding.
>> >>
>> >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> >> places I have. You haven't
>> >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> >> make no mention of
>> >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> >> interviews regarding it.
>> >>
>> >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> >> everybody is just as
>> >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> >> confining yourself to dead flat
>> >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> >> too afraid. If that's
>> >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> >> a motor which your avoided
>> >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>> >>
>> >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> >rather looks like one.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>
>You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.

Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >
> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?

Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> >
>> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
>
>Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.

Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
on my hands...

I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> > >>
> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >>
> > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> > >>
> > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > >>
> > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > >> really are more than mine."
> > >>
> > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> > >> and will continue to do
> > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> > >> friend who occasionally
> > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> > >> to keeping up with me,
> > >> especially on hills.)
> > >>
> > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> > >> overweight as you have been
> > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> > >> don't need a tricycle
> > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> > >> certainly not timid enough
> > >> to need a gun while riding.
> > >>
> > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> > >> places I have. You haven't
> > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> > >> make no mention of
> > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> > >> interviews regarding it.
> > >>
> > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> > >> everybody is just as
> > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> > >> confining yourself to dead flat
> > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> > >> too afraid. If that's
> > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> > >> a motor which your avoided
> > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> > >>
> > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> > >rather looks like one.
> > >
> > >Roger Merriman
> > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.

Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:39:15 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >> >
> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
> >
> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
> on my hands...
>
> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...

Flunky like the rest of the stupid six is nothing more than a coward - that's the Democrat way.

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:08:46 PM UTC-4, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-4, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Tom is fantasizing again. While there's always a bit of topic overlap in engineering fields, I never once
> > taught a class that was listed as Industrial Engineering. Industrial engineering is far, far different from
> > mechanical engineering.
> >
> > Even Tom's shameful attempts at stalking are incompetent.
> >
> It's likely tom took industrial _arts_ in high school. Industrial arts teaches you how to run a band saw without cutting your fingers off. Industrial Engineering is in fact a degreed profession with post graduate degrees available in different fields from industrial automation to supply chain management in manufacturing or processing facilities. Tommy might have seen a course listing for Industrial Engineering that included mechanical engineering. It's exactly the type of mistake he would make.

I agree that "industrial arts" might teach a person how to run a band saw without cutting one's fingers off.
I wonder if it would teach a person to run a lawn mower without cutting one's toe off?

Tom actually did cut his toe off with a lawn mower. He's mentioned that here many times.

- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 3:15:36 AM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Roger, How many times did Francis tell us he taught mechanical engineering? Then when I went to the Youngstown college site, it said that he taught industrial engineering. I don't know what you know about that but I took "industrial engineering" in the 11th grade. Is this what Krygowski wants us to think about him - that he doesn't even give us the actual classes he was teaching?
>> >
>> > So exactly who do you believe is trolling?
>> Tommy, when I hear "industrial engineering", I think of machines. Industrial revolution back in the 1800s and up into the early 1900s. Machinery in factories. Seems to me a mechanical engineer would be good for teaching that.
>
>Tom is fantasizing again. While there's always a bit of topic overlap in engineering fields, I never once
>taught a class that was listed as Industrial Engineering. Industrial engineering is far, far different from
>mechanical engineering.
>
>Even Tom's shameful attempts at stalking are incompetent.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Come on Frank, Tommy got it half right, at least the "engineering"part
was correct.

We'll have to "up his score", 3-1/2 correct in 17 years.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 08:54:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/16/2022 6:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
>> exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse
>> from the public treasury..."
>
>It goes way beyond that.
>
>In states that have the initiative process, which seemed like a good
>idea originally, it's been taken over by corporations that can spend
>hundreds of millions of dollars to push through laws that save them
>billions.
>
>Uber and Lyft spent about $224 million to pass Prop 22, which allows
>them to exploit their drivers. Unfortunately for these companies, Prop
>22 was overturned as unconstitutional, though as I understand it the
>backers are appealing.
>
>And it's not just the "public treasury" that voters discover they can
>vote themselves largess from. In San Francisco, rent-control, and
>de-facto vacancy control, result in largess from property owners. The
>affordable housing shortage in San Francisco is largely a result of the
>draconian rent control law, where maximum rent increases have been as
>low as 0%, and there are no income qualifications for a rent-controlled
>apartment. There is almost no turnover of rent-controlled properties and
>property owners often exit the rental market and turn the properties
>into for-sale housing.
>
>Prop 13 was sold to voters as a way to "keep seniors from being taxed
>out of their homes" but it was actually created by commercial property
>owners to prevent their parcels from being assessed at market value.
>This has shifted the tax burden to homeowners since homes are reassessed
>when sold, but commercial property can be transferred to new owners in a
>way where there is no reassessment.

And then we have those who want to spend public funds to build "bike
lanes" to benefit a tiny minority of the public.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 08:25:38 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 6:36:17 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>
>> I've lived here for more than 50 years through enumerable governments,
>> coups and protests and to be honest there really hasn't been any
>> change in how the common man lives or is treated. Taxes about the
>> same, laws about the same.
>
>We have a new friend, a biologist from Peru. She and her husband will be visiting us
>again this evening.
>
>I'd never met anyone from Peru before. During our last visit, after conversation turned
>to jokes about American politics, I asked her what the political situation was like in Peru.
>She told us that the government is quite corrupt and that everyone knows it. The
>governments change from time to time, but the corruption is constant. She claimed that
>the ordinary citizens just accept that as fact and get on with their lives.
>
>> The biggest change was when one government
>> implemented the 30 baht medical scheme. You go to the hospital and pay
>> 30 baht - about U.S. $0.83, here about 1/10th of a day's pay, and
>> anything the doctor prescribes is covered by that payment. People over
>> 65 get free treatment.
>
>What? You don't have people going bankrupt because of mountainous medical
>bills?
>
>
>> The most telling story about the peoples attitude to government is
>> what happened some years ago when one of the civilian governments was
>> in power.
>>
>> The civilians, being nice guys, went easy on crime, told the cops to
>> take it easy, the courts not to impose the death penalty, short prison
>> sentences and so on.
>>
>> The result was, of course, a rather big increase in snatch and grab
>> thievery. So bad that the women stopped wearing their gold jewelry and
>> if you have ever been in Thailand you'd know how a big a thing that
>> is. You see here a married woman wears gold which does two things,
>> which are sort of the same. One, women like jewelry and two it shows
>> the world that they married a chap that keeps them in the proper
>> manner.
>>
>> Anyway, after a short time we had another coup and the Army took over,
>> two or three soldiers on every street corner, thieves getting shot in
>> the act, death penalty back in force and so on. The overwhelming
>> attitude was "Thank The Lord!" and of course the ladies started
>> wearing their gold again (:-)
>
>I'm always interested in how different countries solve similar problems.
>
>But I'll note that there are lots of countries that have low crime rates - at least, compared to the
>U.S. - without having armed soldiers on every corner shooting people on sight, without
>huge portions of their population incarcerated, and without the death penalty. I'm interested in
>how they do that.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Perhaps I should have elaborated a bit. There was a really major
increase in crime and when the Army seized power (yet again) they
clamped down on crime and the general population said "Thank God!"
except, of course, that is my translation of local comments into terms
that a foreigner might understand.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>> > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>> > >>
>> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> > >>
>> > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>> > >>
>> > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> > >>
>> > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> > >> really are more than mine."
>> > >>
>> > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> > >> and will continue to do
>> > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> > >> friend who occasionally
>> > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> > >> to keeping up with me,
>> > >> especially on hills.)
>> > >>
>> > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> > >> overweight as you have been
>> > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> > >> don't need a tricycle
>> > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> > >> certainly not timid enough
>> > >> to need a gun while riding.
>> > >>
>> > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> > >> places I have. You haven't
>> > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> > >> make no mention of
>> > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> > >> interviews regarding it.
>> > >>
>> > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> > >> everybody is just as
>> > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> > >> confining yourself to dead flat
>> > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> > >> too afraid. If that's
>> > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> > >> a motor which your avoided
>> > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>> > >>
>> > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> > >rather looks like one.
>> > >
>> > >Roger Merriman
>> > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>
>Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.

But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
your name when you posted.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:48:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>
>>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>
>>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
>>
>> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
>>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
>>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
>>the rest?
>
>Do you mean people who are not leftists?
>
>Whoa, look there, I just answered your question without even trying.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>>> > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>> > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> > >>
>>> > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>>> > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>> > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>>> > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>> > >>
>>> > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>> > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>> > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>> > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>> > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>> > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>> > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>> > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>> > >> really are more than mine."
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>>> > >> and will continue to do
>>> > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>>> > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>>> > >> friend who occasionally
>>> > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>>> > >> to keeping up with me,
>>> > >> especially on hills.)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>>> > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>>> > >> overweight as you have been
>>> > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>>> > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>>> > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>>> > >> don't need a tricycle
>>> > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>>> > >> certainly not timid enough
>>> > >> to need a gun while riding.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>>> > >> places I have. You haven't
>>> > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>>> > >> make no mention of
>>> > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>>> > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>>> > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>>> > >> interviews regarding it.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>>> > >> everybody is just as
>>> > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>>> > >> confining yourself to dead flat
>>> > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>>> > >> too afraid. If that's
>>> > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>>> > >> a motor which your avoided
>>> > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>>> > >>
>>> > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>>> > >rather looks like one.
>>> > >
>>> > >Roger Merriman
>>> > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>>
>>Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>
>But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
>and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
>your name when you posted.

I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:52:58 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:48:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>
>>>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>>>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
>>>
>>> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
>>>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
>>>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
>>>the rest?
>>
>>Do you mean people who are not leftists?
>>
>>Whoa, look there, I just answered your question without even trying.
>
>That is a, wall, sort of nebulas response. Leftist and the rest of the
>world? Sort of like "this is my left hand and I'm not sure what to
>call the other one".

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 08:25:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/16/2022 2:23 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:07:08 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> I can't define it? It was me that referenced the Merriam Webster
>>> dictionary definition and said that we were speaking about the "B"
>>> definition. On their very best days the stupid six most assuredly are
>>> communists because they DO believe in "a totalitarian system of
>>> government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned
>>> means of production" They have absolutely no need for an opposition
>>> party and given a choice would kill every one of us. Not because they
>>> dislike us but because we oppose single party politics.
>>> No Tommy the reference above was not posted my you. It was the bloke
>>> from Florida what done it.
>>>
>>> As for believing in a totalitarian system of government???
>>>
>>> Come now Tommy, you live in a far more totalitarian country then I do,
>>> for example. You country has so many government agencies that it is
>>> hard to count them all
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>> John, you are from Thailand? Right? I do not think your claim to living in a less totalitarian country than the USA is very accurate. John, I know you are originally, currently, a USA citizen. But have spent the last number of decades living in Thailand.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Thailand
>>
>> "Following the coup d'état of 22 May 2014 revoking the 2007 constitution, a military organization called National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) had taken over administration. The chief of NCPO abolished the national assembly and assumed the responsibilities of the legislative branch. Under the martial law enforced throughout the kingdom, military courts have been tasked to be responsible for some cases that are normally under the civilian courts. However, the court system, including the Constitutional Court, still remains in existence, even without the constitution. The NCPO was formally dissolved following the swearing-in of the new cabinet on 16 July 2019."
>>
>> "Thai kingdoms and the late Kingdom of Siam were under absolute rule of kings. After the "democratic revolution" in 1932, led by Westernized bureaucrats and a tradition-oriented military, the country officially became a constitutional monarchy with a prime minister as the government head."
>>
>> "Coups happened from time to time, often bringing the country under the rule of yet another junta. To date Thailand has had 20 charters and constitutions, reflecting a high degree of political instability. After successful coups, military regimes have abrogated existing constitutions and promulgated interim charters."
>>
>
>All that is true, which does not address quality of
>governance or approval of the Thai citizenry.
>
>Polybios noted long ago that in nature the biggest strongest
>man rules. This becomes institutionalized into a monarchy
>until the kings become corrupt. Kings are overthrown by an
>oligarchy of the rich and wise. When they become corrupt the
>populace revolts in favor of a democracy. Democracies are so
>inefficient and corrupt that eventually the citizens revolt
>seeking peace and order and establish a dictator or king to
>set society in order.
>
>Or as Tytler pithily wrote:
>
>“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
>It can only exist until the voters discover that they can
>vote themselves largesse from the public treasury..."
>
>to wit:
>https://www.nationthailand.com/perspective/30191377

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> >>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>> >>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>> >>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>> >>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>> >>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>> >>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>> >>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>> >>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>> >>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>> >>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>> >>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>> >>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>> >>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>> >>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>> >>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>> >>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>> >>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>> >>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>> >>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>> >>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Control.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>> >>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>> >>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>> >>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>> >>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>> >>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>> >>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>> >>>>>>> them what to do.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>> >>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>> >>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>> >>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>> >>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>> >>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>> >>>>>> national debt).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>> >>>>>> by 60%!"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>> >>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>> >>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>> >>>
>> >>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>> >>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>> >>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>> >>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>> >
>> > Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>> > isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>> > doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>> >>
>> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>> >> compensation for their losses.
>> >>
>> >>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>> >>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>> >>>> hides his head.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>> >> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>> >
>> > Roger Merriman
>> >
>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>> 'the middle of the road'.
>I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 20:04:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:52:58 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:48:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>
>>>>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>>>>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
>>>>
>>>> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
>>>>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
>>>>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
>>>>the rest?
>>>
>>>Do you mean people who are not leftists?
>>>
>>>Whoa, look there, I just answered your question without even trying.
>>
>>That is a, wall, sort of nebulas response. Leftist and the rest of the
>>world? Sort of like "this is my left hand and I'm not sure what to
>>call the other one".
>
>Well, I only have one "other hand." There's a lot of different "people
>who are not leftists."

On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>>>>>>> and will continue to do
>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>>>>>>> make no mention of
>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>>>>>>> everybody is just as
>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>>>>>> rather looks like one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>>>
>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>>
>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
>> your name when you posted.
>
> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
>

Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
stalking me they haven't made themselves known.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 9/16/2022 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>
>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>
> "the fascist communists"??
>
> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
> "democratic republican" or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:17:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/16/2022 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>
>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>
>> "the fascist communists"??
>>
>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>> "democratic republican" or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>
>
>You may think the National Socialist Party wasn't socialist
>but they thought they were. And proved it in deeds.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> >>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> >>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>> >>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>> >>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>> >>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>> >>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>> >>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>> >>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>> >>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>> >>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>> >>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>> >>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>> >>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>> >>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>> >>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Control.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>> >>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>> >>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>> >>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>> >>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>> >>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>> >>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>> >>>>>>> them what to do.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>> >>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>> >>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>> >>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>> >>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>> >>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>> >>>>>> national debt).
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>> >>>>>> by 60%!"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>> >>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>> >>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>> >>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>> >>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>> >>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>> >
>>> > Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>> > isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>> > doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>> >>
>>> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>> >> compensation for their losses.
>>> >>
>>> >>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>> >>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>> >>>> hides his head.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>> >> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>> >
>>> > Roger Merriman
>>> >
>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>
>"the fascist communists"??
>
>What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>"democratic republican"

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:43:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 20:04:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:52:58 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:48:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
>>>>>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
>>>>>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
>>>>>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
>>>>>the rest?
>>>>
>>>>Do you mean people who are not leftists?
>>>>
>>>>Whoa, look there, I just answered your question without even trying.
>>>
>>>That is a, wall, sort of nebulas response. Leftist and the rest of the
>>>world? Sort of like "this is my left hand and I'm not sure what to
>>>call the other one".
>>
>>Well, I only have one "other hand." There's a lot of different "people
>>who are not leftists."
>
>But that was my original question, what do you call the non-leftists?
>
>Lefts and "us guys"? Leftists and "regular people"? After all, even
>the chaps that love other chaps and the ladies that love other ladies
>(not sure of the current politically correct terms here) have special
>names why can't the non-leftists?

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:15:32 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>>>>>>>> and will continue to do
>>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
>>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
>>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
>>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
>>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
>>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
>>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>>>>>>>> make no mention of
>>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>>>>>>>> everybody is just as
>>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
>>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
>>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
>>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>>>>>>> rather looks like one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>>>>
>>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>>>
>>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
>>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
>>> your name when you posted.
>>
>> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
>> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
>>
>
>Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
>pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
>stalking me they haven't made themselves known.

Many years ago, before I even knew about Usenet, I joined a local
political forum and had a creep look me up and threaten me. Realizing
that I have absolutely no need for recogntion, I've opted for
anonymity ever since.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 10:22:33 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:17:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 9/16/2022 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>
>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>
>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>> "democratic republican" or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>
>>
>>You may think the National Socialist Party wasn't socialist
>>but they thought they were. And proved it in deeds.
>
>Well, they were, at least to some extent. The NSV, which by 1935, had
>4.7 million members and 520,000 volunteer workers.
>But, of course, only for those of "Aryan descent".

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:48:41 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> > > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> > > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> > > >>
> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >>
> > > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> > > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> > > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> > > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> > > >>
> > > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> > > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> > > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> > > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> > > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> > > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> > > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> > > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> > > >>
> > > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> > > >> really are more than mine."
> > > >>
> > > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> > > >> and will continue to do
> > > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> > > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> > > >> friend who occasionally
> > > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> > > >> to keeping up with me,
> > > >> especially on hills.)
> > > >>
> > > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> > > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> > > >> overweight as you have been
> > > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> > > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> > > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> > > >> don't need a tricycle
> > > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> > > >> certainly not timid enough
> > > >> to need a gun while riding.
> > > >>
> > > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> > > >> places I have. You haven't
> > > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> > > >> make no mention of
> > > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> > > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> > > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> > > >> interviews regarding it.
> > > >>
> > > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> > > >> everybody is just as
> > > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> > > >> confining yourself to dead flat
> > > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> > > >> too afraid. If that's
> > > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> > > >> a motor which your avoided
> > > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> > > >>
> > > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> > > >rather looks like one.
> > > >
> > > >Roger Merriman
> > > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> > You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.

And, as predicted, tommy's full hypocrisy on display.