On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >> >
> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
> >
> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
> on my hands...
>
> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...

No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility. As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 7:48:26 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> >> > <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >> > >>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >> > >>
> >> > >> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> >> > >> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> > >>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> >> > >> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >> > >>
> >> > >> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >> > >> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >> > >> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >> > >> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >> > >> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >> > >> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >> > >> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >> > >> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >> > >> really are more than mine."
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> >> > >> and will continue to do
> >> > >> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> >> > >> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> >> > >> friend who occasionally
> >> > >> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> >> > >> to keeping up with me,
> >> > >> especially on hills.)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> >> > >> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> >> > >> overweight as you have been
> >> > >> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> >> > >> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> >> > >> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> >> > >> don't need a tricycle
> >> > >> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> >> > >> certainly not timid enough
> >> > >> to need a gun while riding.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> >> > >> places I have. You haven't
> >> > >> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> >> > >> make no mention of
> >> > >> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> >> > >> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> >> > >> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> >> > >> interviews regarding it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> >> > >> everybody is just as
> >> > >> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> >> > >> confining yourself to dead flat
> >> > >> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> >> > >> too afraid. If that's
> >> > >> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> >> > >> a motor which your avoided
> >> > >> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >> > >>
> >> > >Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> >> > >rather looks like one.
> >> > >
> >> > >Roger Merriman
> >> > You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image..
> >> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >
> >Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
> your name when you posted.
> --
As I've told him plenty of times, my identity is easily discoverable form the many links I've posted about my rides and races. He's just too stupid to figure it out.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 4:10:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:15:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> >>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> >>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> >>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> >>>>>>>> and will continue to do
> >>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> >>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> >>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
> >>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> >>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
> >>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> >>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> >>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
> >>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> >>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> >>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> >>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
> >>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> >>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
> >>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> >>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
> >>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> >>>>>>>> make no mention of
> >>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> >>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> >>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> >>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> >>>>>>>> everybody is just as
> >>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> >>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
> >>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> >>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
> >>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> >>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
> >>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> >>>>>>> rather looks like one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
> >>>
> >>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
> >>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
> >>> your name when you posted.
> >>
> >> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
> >> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
> >>
> >
> >Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
> >pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
> >stalking me they haven't made themselves known.
> Many years ago, before I even knew about Usenet, I joined a local
> political forum and had a creep look me up and threaten me. Realizing
> that I have absolutely no need for recogntion, I've opted for
> anonymity ever since.

According to tommy logic that makes you a coward and a liar. I'm sure you would take issue with either label.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
>> >
>> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
>> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
>> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
>> on my hands...
>>
>> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...
>
>No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually

Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
on Usenet. At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
afraid of me now, but you can tell him for me, that as fearsome as I
might appear to him, I'm really a gentle soul

> As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.

....and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
triggering you.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:42:46 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 4:10:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:15:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>> >>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> >>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> >>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> >>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> >>>>>>>> and will continue to do
>> >>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> >>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> >>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
>> >>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> >>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
>> >>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> >>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> >>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
>> >>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> >>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> >>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> >>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
>> >>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> >>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
>> >>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> >>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
>> >>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> >>>>>>>> make no mention of
>> >>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> >>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> >>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> >>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> >>>>>>>> everybody is just as
>> >>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> >>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
>> >>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> >>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
>> >>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> >>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
>> >>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> >>>>>>> rather looks like one.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> >>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>> >>>
>> >>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
>> >>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
>> >>> your name when you posted.
>> >>
>> >> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
>> >> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
>> >pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
>> >stalking me they haven't made themselves known.
>> Many years ago, before I even knew about Usenet, I joined a local
>> political forum and had a creep look me up and threaten me. Realizing
>> that I have absolutely no need for recogntion, I've opted for
>> anonymity ever since.
>
>According to tommy logic that makes you a coward and a liar. I'm sure you would take issue with either label.

Why would I care about some strangers opinions of me? I'm only
sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
you.

On 9/16/2022 10:22 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:17:41 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2022 7:31 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>
>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>
>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>> "democratic republican" or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>
>>
>> You may think the National Socialist Party wasn't socialist
>> but they thought they were. And proved it in deeds.
>
> Well, they were, at least to some extent. The NSV, which by 1935, had
> 4.7 million members and 520,000 volunteer workers.
> But, of course, only for those of "Aryan descent".
>

On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>
>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>
>> "the fascist communists"??
>>
>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>> "democratic republican"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>
> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
> Madison in the early 1790s
>
> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>
> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>
>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>
>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>> "democratic republican"
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>
>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>
>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>
>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>
>
>A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>state. Nothing against the state".
>
>Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 5:04:46 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:52:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 05:48:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:12:01 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 16:01:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 08:54:08 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>>>>>>>>><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ><frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and riding back and forth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >- Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire countryside, rather than being confined
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ><CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >couldn't come up witha response..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ><LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >biking courage and experience.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>really are more than mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ><SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard..
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>- Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >personal information?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Control.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>>>>>>>>>get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>>>>>>>>>make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>>>>>>>>>for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>>>>>>>>>feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>>>>>>>>>exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>>>>>>>>>hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>>>>>>>>>them what to do.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>>>>>>>>like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>>>>>>>>Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>>>>>>>selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>>>>>>>Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>>>>>>>>the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>>>>>>>>national debt).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>>>>>>>>by 60%!"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is.. I
> >>>>>>>offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>>>>>>again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >>>>>>government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >>>>>>the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >>>>>>referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >>>>>middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >>>>>the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >>>>
> >>>>Like I said, I don't use the term and don't know anyone who does, so I
> >>>>have no idea what it means to those the use it.
> >>>
> >>> O.K., lets say there are no "rightists" as you say that you don't use
> >>>the term. But you do use the term "leftist", which began this
> >>>conversation. So if you designate some as "leftists" what do you call
> >>>the rest?
> >>
> >>Do you mean people who are not leftists?
> >>
> >>Whoa, look there, I just answered your question without even trying.
> >
> >That is a, wall, sort of nebulas response. Leftist and the rest of the
> >world? Sort of like "this is my left hand and I'm not sure what to
> >call the other one".
> Well, I only have one "other hand." There's a lot of different "people
> who are not leftists."

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 1:08:16 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>> >>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>> >>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>> >>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
> >>> >>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>> >>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>> >>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>> >>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>> >>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> personal information?
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Control.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>> >>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>> >>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>> >>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>> >>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>> >>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>> >>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>> >>>>>>> them what to do.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>> >>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>> >>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>> >>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>> >>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>> >>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>> >>>>>> national debt).
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>> >>>>>> by 60%!"
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >>> >>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>> >>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >>> >>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >>> >>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >>> >>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >>> >> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >>> >> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >>> >
> >>> > Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> >>> > isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> >>> > doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> >>> >> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> >>> >> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> >>> >> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> >>> >> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> >>> >> compensation for their losses.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
> >>> >>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
> >>> >>>> hides his head.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
> >>> >> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
> >>> >
> >>> > Roger Merriman
> >>> >
> >>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
> >>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
> >>> 'the middle of the road'.
> >>I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
> >
> >"the fascist communists"??
> >
> >What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
> >"democratic republican"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>
> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
> Madison in the early 1790s
> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
> >Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
> >> >
> >> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
> >> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
> >> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
> >> on my hands...
> >>
> >> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...
> >
> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
>
> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
> on Usenet.

No, you did it because you're afraid that people will see you for the troll you are - it only succeeding in confirming that impression (right, we know you don't care about other peoples impressions - sure....)

> At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
> afraid of me now, but you can tell him for me, that as fearsome as I
> might appear to him,

No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?

> I'm really a gentle soul
Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.

> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
> triggering you.

People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.

Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:06:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:42:46 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 4:10:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:15:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> >> >>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
> >> >>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
> >> >>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >> >>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
> >> >>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >> >>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
> >> >>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
> >> >>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >> >>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >> >>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
> >> >>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
> >> >>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
> >> >>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
> >> >>>>>>>> and will continue to do
> >> >>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
> >> >>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
> >> >>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
> >> >>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
> >> >>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
> >> >>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
> >> >>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
> >> >>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
> >> >>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
> >> >>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
> >> >>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
> >> >>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
> >> >>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
> >> >>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
> >> >>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
> >> >>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
> >> >>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
> >> >>>>>>>> make no mention of
> >> >>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
> >> >>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
> >> >>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
> >> >>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
> >> >>>>>>>> everybody is just as
> >> >>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
> >> >>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
> >> >>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
> >> >>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
> >> >>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
> >> >>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
> >> >>>>>>> rather looks like one.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >> >>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >> >>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
> >> >>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
> >> >>> your name when you posted.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
> >> >> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
> >> >pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
> >> >stalking me they haven't made themselves known.
> >> Many years ago, before I even knew about Usenet, I joined a local
> >> political forum and had a creep look me up and threaten me. Realizing
> >> that I have absolutely no need for recogntion, I've opted for
> >> anonymity ever since.
> >
> >According to tommy logic that makes you a coward and a liar. I'm sure you would take issue with either label.
> Why would I care about some strangers opinions of me?

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> >> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
>> >> >
>> >> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
>> >> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
>> >> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
>> >> on my hands...
>> >>
>> >> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...
>> >
>> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
>>
>> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
>> on Usenet.
>
>No, you did it because you're afraid that people will see you for the troll you are - it only succeeding in confirming that impression (right, we know you don't care about other peoples impressions - sure....)

Believe that if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter to me.

>> At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
>> afraid of me now, but you can tell him for me, that as fearsome as I
>> might appear to him,
>
>No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?

I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise. Fact is, I'm happy
slapping you around too.

As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.

>> I'm really a gentle soul
>Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.

<LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.

>> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
>> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
>> triggering you.
>
>People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.

You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.

>Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.

...and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.

Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:29:59 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> >> >> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother).. As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
> >> >> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
> >> >> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
> >> >> on my hands...
> >> >>
> >> >> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...
> >> >
> >> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
> >>
> >> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
> >> on Usenet.
> >
> >No, you did it because you're afraid that people will see you for the troll you are - it only succeeding in confirming that impression (right, we know you don't care about other peoples impressions - sure....)
> Believe that if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter to me.
> >> At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
> >> afraid of me now, but you can tell him for me, that as fearsome as I
> >> might appear to him,
> >
> >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
> I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise. Fact is, I'm happy
> slapping you around too.
>
> As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
> to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
> refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
> nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
> >> I'm really a gentle soul
> >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
> <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
> logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.
> >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
> >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
> >> triggering you.
> >
> >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
> You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.
> >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
> ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
>
> Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.

I have challenged Flunky to tell me where he lives but he is so unimpressed with my threats that he continues to hide. Slinking cowards shall always be so.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:06:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:42:46 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 4:10:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:15:32 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 9/16/2022 6:59 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 06:48:17 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 6:56:00 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
>> >> >>>>>> <ro...@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> It seems that Krygowski it what we call a has-been. He claims to have
>> >> >>>>>>>>> done things when he was younger, but won't address his current stats.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> First, here's the exchange that triggered this part of the thread:
>> >> >>>>>>>> CT: > BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>> >> >>>>>>>>> all the courage and EXPERIENCE I need. Probably more than you.
>> >> >>>>>>>> [Note that _you_ referenced EXPERIENCE. My emphasis.]
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> FK: "OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>> >> >>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years commuting to work
>> >> >>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you done on ordinary roads?
>> >> >>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>> >> >>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>> >> >>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than
>> >> >>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road rides?
>> >> >>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider event rides on normal roads?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> "Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your courage and experience
>> >> >>>>>>>> really are more than mine."
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Now: Family responsibilities have reduced my riding for several years,
>> >> >>>>>>>> and will continue to do
>> >> >>>>>>>> so. But my riding mileage now seems barely less than yours, and it's done where there are
>> >> >>>>>>>> actual hills, not on dead flat bike paths in Florida. (I have a Floridian
>> >> >>>>>>>> friend who occasionally
>> >> >>>>>>>> visits me. He does 10,000 miles in a typical year, but can't come close
>> >> >>>>>>>> to keeping up with me,
>> >> >>>>>>>> especially on hills.)
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> My best year in terms of total mileage easily beats yours. If you haven't done a double
>> >> >>>>>>>> century, my longest one day ride beats yours. I'm not nearly as
>> >> >>>>>>>> overweight as you have been
>> >> >>>>>>>> and still are. I can rise out of a chair
>> >> >>>>>>>> or up off the floor with no problems - something I'd never
>> >> >>>>>>>> bother mentioning if you hadn't whined about your problems doing that. I
>> >> >>>>>>>> don't need a tricycle
>> >> >>>>>>>> to ride, nor a bike path. I can and do ride on almost any road. I'm
>> >> >>>>>>>> certainly not timid enough
>> >> >>>>>>>> to need a gun while riding.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Based on your omissions, you haven't ridden in nearly the variety of
>> >> >>>>>>>> places I have. You haven't
>> >> >>>>>>>> done the bike traveling I have done, in the U.S. or other countries. You
>> >> >>>>>>>> make no mention of
>> >> >>>>>>>> utility or transportational use of a bike, so I
>> >> >>>>>>>> assume you don't do that. I've done it for 50 years,
>> >> >>>>>>>> taught others to do it, been the subject of newspaper articles and TV
>> >> >>>>>>>> interviews regarding it.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> We don't all have to be alike. But I'm not liberal enough to pretend that
>> >> >>>>>>>> everybody is just as
>> >> >>>>>>>> knowledgeable, or skilled, or capable as anyone else. You feel fine
>> >> >>>>>>>> confining yourself to dead flat
>> >> >>>>>>>> linear playgrounds, donated by the government to keep you from feeling
>> >> >>>>>>>> too afraid. If that's
>> >> >>>>>>>> what it takes to keep you moving, that's good. (If your tricycle also has
>> >> >>>>>>>> a motor which your avoided
>> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning, that's not as good, but at least you're moving.)
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Your being fished for attention by a troll, or at least if he’s not one
>> >> >>>>>>> rather looks like one.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>> >> >>>>>> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
>> >> >>>>> You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Why, you're so much unafraid of me that you resorted to a pseudonym and persistent hiding of your identity.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> But Tommy you used to so just that. In fact when Brandt "outed" you
>> >> >>> and listed your address he was identifying you as you had been hiding
>> >> >>> your name when you posted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't understand why anybody would identify themselves to a bunch of
>> >> >> strangers on the internet. I certainly don't need any stalkers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Hasn't been a problem for me the past 27 years. I don't use
>> >> >pseudonyms anywhere online. If there are any cute girls
>> >> >stalking me they haven't made themselves known.
>> >> Many years ago, before I even knew about Usenet, I joined a local
>> >> political forum and had a creep look me up and threaten me. Realizing
>> >> that I have absolutely no need for recogntion, I've opted for
>> >> anonymity ever since.
>> >
>> >According to tommy logic that makes you a coward and a liar. I'm sure you would take issue with either label.
>> Why would I care about some strangers opinions of me?
>
>Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
>
> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
> on Usenet. At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
> afraid of me now ...

:-) Hah! Why would I be afraid of a troll who lives in a distant state, is so weak he has to ride
a tricycle, is so cowardly he rides only on government provided linear playgrounds (AKA MUPs),
is so timid he posts anonymously, is so paranoid he rides with a handgun even on kiddy paths,
and is so feeble he gets dizzy when he climbs off his tricycle?

This points out a shortcoming of Usenet. Trolls don't understand when they're being avoided out
of disgust.

- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
>>
>> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
>> on Usenet. At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
>> afraid of me now ...
>
>:-) Hah! Why would I be afraid of a troll who lives in a distant state, is so weak he has to ride
>a tricycle, is so cowardly he rides only on government provided linear playgrounds (AKA MUPs),
>is so timid he posts anonymously, is so paranoid he rides with a handgun even on kiddy paths,
>and is so feeble he gets dizzy when he climbs off his tricycle?
>
>This points out a shortcoming of Usenet. Trolls don't understand when they're being avoided out
>of disgust.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

<CHUCKLE> The irony bell tolls for thee, Frank.

You're the guy who thought his plan to ride a bicycle to a bunch of
libraries was significant enough to brag about in a supposedly public
"interview." I can only imagine how much laughter that interview
spawned.

On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>
>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>
>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>
>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>
>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>
>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>
>>
>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>
>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>
>
> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough... all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
>>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
>>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
>>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
>>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
>>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
>>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
>>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
>>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
>>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
>>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
>>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
>>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
>>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
>>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
>>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
>>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
>>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
>>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
>>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
>>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
>>>>>
>>>>> "the fascist communists"??
>>>>>
>>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
>>>>> "democratic republican"
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
>>>>
>>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
>>>> Madison in the early 1790s
>>>>
>>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
>>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
>>>>
>>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
>>>>
>>>
>>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
>>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
>>> state. Nothing against the state".
>>>
>>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
>>
>>
>> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
>>
>
>All communist parties share that trait.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:44:49 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:29:59 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:02:11 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 12:26:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > >> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> You guys better killfile me. I could be dangerous to your self image.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >You are no more of a threat here to anyones self-image than kunich, and that includes his threats of physical violence. The only person suffering damage to their image here is you.
> > >> >> >> Why would I care about you clowns' insignificant opinions of me?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Says the guy who creates a facebook page specifically to show off a 27 year old picture of his legs to _this_ group (and no, I didn't bother). As noted previously, you've zipped right past tommylogic straight into the world of andre delusions, you're just not nearly as smart.
> > >> >> Like I said, I'm not likely to back down from a challeng from a
> > >> >> jackass. I'd scheduled a bike ride and it was raining, so I had time
> > >> >> on my hands...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I proved my point. I guess you couldn't match my quads, either...
> > >> >
> > >> >No, exactly the opposite. You claim to not care about others impressions, but then post an old picture of yourself to gain some credibility.Actually
> > >>
> > >> Actually, I did it just to rub Krygowski's nose in the stain he left
> > >> on Usenet.
> > >
> > >No, you did it because you're afraid that people will see you for the troll you are - it only succeeding in confirming that impression (right, we know you don't care about other peoples impressions - sure....)
> > Believe that if it makes you happy. It really doesn't matter to me.
> > >> At any rate, it appears to have shut him up. I think he's
> > >> afraid of me now, but you can tell him for me, that as fearsome as I
> > >> might appear to him,
> > >
> > >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
> > I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise. Fact is, I'm happy
> > slapping you around too.
> >
> > As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
> > to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
> > refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
> > nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
> > >> I'm really a gentle soul
> > >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
> > <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
> > logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.
> > >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
> > >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
> > >> triggering you.
> > >
> > >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
> > You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.
> > >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
> > ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
> >
> > Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.
> I have challenged Flunky to tell me where he lives but he is so unimpressed with my threats that he continues to hide. Slinking cowards shall always be so.

And I've told you repeatedly I'm not hiding. I've posted enough of my personal life here that my information is easily accessible, hiding in plain sight. The difference is I'm not doing to do your homework for you like your mother did when you were failing high school (and even she wasn't bright enough to save you from flunking out). Come find me, you pathetic coward.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >
> >No one is afraid of you. That's just more of the kunich delusional characteristic. You explicitly state one of your intentions here is to troll frank, Why would you expect him to keep engaging you?
>
> I stated no such thing, explicitly or otherwise.

Apparently your about as well versed in this inteweb thingie as kunich is.

In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/klHeKjXiBQAJ

You wrote:
"I'm only sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like you."

Own it, skippy.

> Fact is, I'm happy
> slapping you around too.

More like flailing around. You'll have to do a lot better than that to constitute any 'slaps'.

>
> As for Frank, he will rant and rave at a little granny lady who dares
> to suggest he should wear a helmet, but he'll condemn other folks who
> refuse to ride their bike to the drugstore just like he does. He's a
> nasty little hypocrite and had to be cut down a tad.
> >> I'm really a gentle soul
> >Sure, says the guy trolling a cycling news group with political sputum and bragging about concealed carry.
> <LOL> I realized this wasn't just a cycle news group the first day I
> logged on to it and saw Krygowski's political nonsense.

Frank has never started a purely political conversation. However you're the typical right wing troll - using this group as your own political toilet bowl. Take a look at the discussions and see who's starting purely political threads - it isn't anyone who you and kunich seem to think cause disruptions here. You _still_ haven't posted anything related to cycling technology.

> >> > As noted, that's full-on jute delusion. I never said anything about whether or not I was a better or stronger cyclist than you, and quite frankly I could care less what your quads look like, much less what they looked like 27 years ago. Despite your juvenile and vapid attempt to impress _any_ one here (and yes, that's exactly what you were doing when you created a facebook page for the specific purpose of showing off your quads from 27 years ago), you've failed miserably.
> >> ...and yet, here you are making a fuss about it. I apologize for
> >> triggering you.
> >
> >People who claim not to care about others impressions don't put up as much of a fight about it as you have been, let alone create a facebook page so they can show off old pictures of themselves.
> You apparently don't know what a fight is, either.

"I don't care what anyone thinks of me, but here's a picture so everyone can see how big and strong I am"

> >Sorry, You'll have to do a lot more than this to 'trigger' me.
> ..and yet here you are *still* making a fuss about it.
>

And you _still_ brag while saying you don't care what anyone thinks - cognitive dissonance much?

> Methinks the lady doth... so on and so forth.

Keep protesting that you don't care what anyone thinks while bragging about how big a strong you are......

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:34:37 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 9/17/2022 7:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:11:04 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9/17/2022 3:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:31:44 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/15/2022 3:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:09:43 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:06 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:43:55 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 09:42:57 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:37:53 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:35:48 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:30:40 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not mean you must ride on roads. If you lack the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competence or minimal courage and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike path and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riding back and forth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's too boring for me, but maybe someday I'll be in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same state. Although I hope not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring? My bike path rides go through the country. I see lots of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildlife and natural wonders. I've seen many snakes, gators, deer,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coyotes, a bear, wild pigs, squirrels, many different kinds of birds,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herons, hawks, an occasional frigate bird.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine if it satisfies you. I prefer access to the entire
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countryside, rather than being confined
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the same out-and-back rides on bike trails.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BY the way, I grew up and spent many hours riding on roads, so I have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the courage and experience I need. Probably more than you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, tell us your biking experience, please. (And drop the 3rd grader insults.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <CHUCKLE> That's from the guy who suggested that I didn't ride in bike
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes because I wasn't courageous or experienced enough.... all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because, I assume because I shredded his Trump political post and he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't come up witha response..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years commuting to work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by bike on normal roads? How much other utility riding have you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done on ordinary roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much overnight or longer traveling have you done on normal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roads? How much bike camping? How many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign countries? How many century rides have you done? How
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many rides longer than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 miles in one day? How many times have you organized and led
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends on road rides?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> Organizing group rides and camping add nothing to anyone's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biking courage and experience.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I really dislike the group ride organizers who convince a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch of follow-the-leader group thinkers to run along beside each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so they can gossip and not bother watching where they are going.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect the organizers imagine themselves as leaders of some sort.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who thirst for the attention they get while leading the pack.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your courage and experience
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really are more than mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <SNORT> I'm not the least bit interested in your, or anyone else's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation of my "courage and experience, nor am I interested in you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond my current evaluation of you as a loudmouth blowhard.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it that leftist loons are always so eager to get at other's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Leftists are always eager to tell others what to do and they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get angry if you don't obey. Some also get angry when you laugh and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make fun of them. Leftists are usually very thin skinned. It's easy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me to spot that because they apparently believe they hurt my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings by trying to make fun of me. I love that. They're telling me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly what upsets them. They're trying to hurt me by doing what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurts them. Damned good fun.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leftists do what they're told to do and they elect people who tell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them what to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But what is a leftist or a rightist? From what I read the Leftists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like to give government money to people and organizations while the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rightists do what? Not give money?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad that's not the case. Many Republicans are as foolish and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> selfish as the Democrats. I'm a registered Republican, but I'm a John
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Locke, Thomas Hobbes libertarian (small l) at heart.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I might note that if the U.S. were to stop all the government handouts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the budget could be nearly 60% smaller (disregarding interest on the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> national debt).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How's that for an election platform... "Elect me and I'll reduce taxes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> by 60%!"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How about term limits for Congress? I'd vote for that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But you still don't explain just what a "leftist" or "rightist" is. I
> >>>>>>>>>>> offered one possible description and you say it is not correct. So
> >>>>>>>>>>> again exactly what is a "leftist" and a "rightist"?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As I see it, leftists seem to favor more government control and more
> >>>>>>>>>> government interference in public and private affairs. I do not use
> >>>>>>>>>> the term "rightest," but I assume that people who do use it are
> >>>>>>>>>> referring to someone who is the opposite of a leftist.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, if there are "leftists" there must be "rightists" or maybe
> >>>>>>>>> middle of the roadists", mustn't there? No... there can't be middle of
> >>>>>>>>> the roadists unless there is a left and right,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Centralists is banded by folks who feel that so and so political figure
> >>>>>>>> isn’t left enough for them and is far too middle of the road, the right
> >>>>>>>> doesn’t seem to differentiate probably as it doesn’t sound scary enough!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But wasn't the MAGA thing an intrusion into public and private
> >>>>>>>>> affairs? The so called Soybean war when the government imposed a duty
> >>>>>>>>> on Chinese stuff and the Chinese, in return, stopped buying soybeans
> >>>>>>>>> from the U.S. and the government had to give the soybean farmers a
> >>>>>>>>> whole bunch of money. I read it was 4.7billion dollars, as
> >>>>>>>>> compensation for their losses.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Or are you like Tommy who uses the term "communist" as a curse, but
> >>>>>>>>>>> when I ask him to define just what a "Communist" is he runs away and
> >>>>>>>>>>> hides his head.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Communism is easy to define. Look it up...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I know what it means. My point was that Tommy uses it as a curse
> >>>>>>>>> but when asked to define the term can't seem to do so.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A local communist politician in my area wrote a book called
> >>>>>>> 'Yellow Stripes and Road Kill' which perfectly describes
> >>>>>>> 'the middle of the road'.
> >>>>>> I sort of think that it is amazing that the fascist communists here don't e4ven understand what they have been advocating and why their cause is doomed even before it was declared. Just like the Russians with ALL of their power are now running from the Ukrainians, so too will Francis, little Johnny, and the rest of the stupid six find the overwhelming majority of people who are middle of the road ready to overrule every single desire they ever wanted. What do you suppose Francis is going to do for money after people stop attending colleges designed as nothing more than money pits? Does he think that the teacher's union is going to protect him from the bankruptcy of his source of income?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "the fascist communists"??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What in the world is a "the fascist communist"? Is that like a
> >>>>> "democratic republican"
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
> >>>>
> >>>> an American political party founded by Thomas Jefferson and James
> >>>> Madison in the early 1790s
> >>>>
> >>>> or maybe "a right handed left handed" bloke..
> >>>>> Tommy, your dementia is running away with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can one not be a fascist and a communist at the same time?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> A noted expert on the subject, when asked 'What is Fascism?'
> >>> replied, "Everything within the state. Nothing outside the
> >>> state. Nothing against the state".
> >>>
> >>> Benito Mussolini can't be wrong about Fascism. He invented it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Isn't that the current Democrat party's goal?
> >>
> >
> >All communist parties share that trait.
> I'm not inclined to label the Dems as communist, but some of them sure
> have some socialist ideas. Perhaps when they lose the House, some more
> moderates will take over and send the "squad" packing.
When the communist party went to register to vote they called themselves socialists. But there was already a socialist party on the ballot so they changed their name to communist. So they are the same thing. This is also why they were willing to brother up with the NAZI's which was another socialist party. Too bad that didn't work out since Hitler and his German superiority complex stopped his maintaining any treaty with slavs.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:45:34 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >
> >Gee, why don't you post more pictures to your facebook page and tell us to go look at them? Strange behaviour for someone who claims not to care about others impressions.
> I already made my point.

I don't think so, if you had we'd all be impressed and bow down to your magnificent thighs.

> >> I'm only
> >> sticking around here because it's fun to thumb my nose at fools like
> >> you.
> >
> >Good start, you admit being here for no other reason than to troll. In other words, your only reason to post is to distract and antagonize
> Like you're doing, here?

Care to look at how many cycling related posts that aren't antagonistic trolls I make compared to you?

> >- in case you hadn't realized it, that's the classic definition of a fool.
> The irony bell is ringing....

says the fool that cares so little about what anyone thinks he creates a special Facebook page to show off his thighs, That irony bell is obviously ringing in your head alone.

> >To be clear, you're making a fool of no one but yourself.
> Ring ring....

That's your conscience, pay attention

> >Care to post any content remotely related to cycling science/technology? We'll wait.....
> I was waiting to see something more technical than fastening down
> shift cables. I never had any problems with that.

If true, feel free to reveal your secrets to never having any common technical problems. Truth is, you're too afraid to post anything technical for fear of being revealed to be as incompetent as kunich.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Flunky like the rest of the stupid six is nothing more than a coward - that's the Democrat way.

Ahem. I've been a registered Republican for about 55 years:
<https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status>
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/iynb76vUSLxZLoYu9>

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On 9/17/2022 1:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Flunky like the rest of the stupid six is nothing more than a coward - that's the Democrat way.
>
> Ahem. I've been a registered Republican for about 55 years:
> <https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/registration-status>
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/iynb76vUSLxZLoYu9>

Wow, most of the Republican that I knew changed to NPP (No Party
Preference) after the orange one became president in 2016, though I
still know four registered Republicans.