On 15/12/2021 09:54, Recliner wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:KDnlDOXuNbuhFAuX@perry.uk...
>>>>>>>> In any case, the key part of an e-ticket is the QR code, which is
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>> an embedded image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's interesting. Are you saying that the QR code is a jpeg embedded
>>>>>>> in the PDF?
>>
>> Yes I'm surprised at this. I'd expect a QR or bar code to be a vector image
>> (eg SVG) that was capable of being rescaled by the browser/PDF reader
>> without scaling or lossy-compression artefacts.
>
> Yes, I'm sure at least some are, maybe most. I don't know if there's a
> general rule for embedded QR codes? In any case, I really don't think
> they'd be JPEGs.
>
> The NHS vaccination QR codes do seem to be vector diagrams.
>
I was just looking at mine and can confirm that.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sp2k8l$3md$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:39:49 on Sat, 11 Dec
> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> Are you Android users saying that the supplied web browser doesn’t support
>>>> viewing pdfs?
>>>
>>> What I'm saying is that the email app, when asked to display a PDF
>>> attachment, launches Adobe viewer, which it appears I'm not the only
>>> person unwilling to sign-in-to.
>>>
>>> I can't see a "setting" in the email app to launch a browser instead.
>>
>> I have an Android phone and use the FastMail app, which seems happy enough
>> to display PDFs without invoking any other software.
>
> Interesting. I've yet to find an offline mail client with that
> functionality.

The FastMail app gets a bit antsy when it’s not connected and it doesn’t
seem to hold a particularly large cache, so I wouldn’t add it to your list
of offline mail clients on that account.

>> It gives me the option of downloading attachments and I also have an
>> Adobe Acrobat Reader which I don’t ever remember configuring and it
>> certainly doesn’t ask me to log into anything. It does have an ad on
>> the front screen offering a free trial of extra features. Based on
>> experience of my desktop iMac there is another Acrobat Reader (DC?)
>> which does a keep asking you to log in, and I’ve deleted that one
>> because of that nagware characteristic; Apple’s Preview works perfectly well.
>
> Once again, I'm glad it all works for you, but pretty sure you will t
> some point in the past have signed-in to Adobe (and it's remembering
> that).

I have not signed into Adobe on my phone. As explained by Mark in another
post it looks like I specifically didn’t sign in initially and the app has
remembered that and doesn’t keep trying.

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sp7sjr$knq$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:32:59 on Mon, 13 Dec
> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <sp7qaj$6n7$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:53:56 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <sov2qn$eb4$6@dont-email.me>, at 08:23:51 on Fri, 10 Dec
>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 19:21, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <soo710$nau$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:32 on Tue, 7 Dec
>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  If rail tickets were the only ecommerce product I ever bought, it
>>>>>>>>> might,  just, be acceptable. But given that I buy from perhaps a
>>>>>>>>> hundred, it's a  bit rich for whatever ATOC/Fat-Controller is called
>>>>>>>>> this week to expect  me to bend over backwards for *their*
>>>>>>>>> convenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Far better, if we got back to the hear of this thread, they could
>>>>>>>>> be bothered to keep their ticket machines operational, or provide
>>>>>>>>> PERTIS machines, so passengers weren't forced to buy at the last
>>>>>>>>> minute using their mobile, stood in the rain in the station car
>>>>>>>>> park, on pain of a £100 fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to get yourself organised, oh, and an umbrella. Personally
>>>>>>>> if it is pouring with rail I'd do the on-line ordering before I got
>>>>>>>> out of the car.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I don't know the TVM is broken until I get to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't stop you going back to the car to get out f the rain or even
>>>>>> sheltering under the station canopy while you order the ticket. No need
>>>>>> to stand in the rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> The car is parked at least a hundred yards away, the station has no
>>>>> canopy, and the train is due in five minutes (which would be plenty of
>>>>> time to buy a ticket from a working TVM).
>>>>
>>>> Won’t you get wet using the TVM?
>>>
>>> Yes, but only for about twenty seconds.
>>
>> No, you’ll get wet for the 5 minutes you’re waiting for the train. Next.
>
> The time interval in question is when one puts down the umbrella,
> because I don't have three arms.

I’ve not come across a TVM which requires 2 arms to operate it. Can you
explain?

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sp7t2k$tbf$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:40:52 on Mon, 13 Dec
> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> It seems more than a little ironic that you’re complaining about other
>>>> people using 1992 technology when part of your complaint is that you’re
>>>> effectively limited to even older technology.
>>>
>>> What's older about a smartphone and an Android app?
>>
>> Your claim that they are basically emulating a pager, a technology
>> developed in the 1950s.
>
> That's a limitation in the extraordinarily basic Exchange email viewer
> supplied on the phone. While it's possible to open and reply to emails,
> it's more trouble than it's worth except in an emergency. So it's simply
> acting as a pager to have me go run 'proper' Outlook (which is also
> pretty basic compared to my personal email client) on a PC.
>
>>>>> I have no control over the phone, or the apps I'm allowed to use.
>>>>
>>>> Well, there’s your trouble.
>>>
>>> We are where we are. And I won't be the only passenger in the same
>>> circumstances.
>>
>> Which just about makes you unique in present company.
>
> A very different set of people to the general public.

And you’re not?

>>>>> My other (personal) phone would be pinging constantly if all my email
>>>>> was directed towards it. On a rough estimate I have perhaps 500k in my
>>>>> email-iverse over the last ten years, so that's 50k a year, 200 per
>>>>> working day.
>>>>>
>>>>> On top of all the alerts for other things (Facebook postings in threads
>>>>> I'm interested in, Tweets from people I follow, etc etc) it would be
>>>>> wall to wall.
>>>>
>>>> Then configure the alert settings, for goodness’ sake!
>>>
>>> The alerts arise from swamping the phone with superfluous emails. I'm
>>> not aware of a way that Android allows the user to fine-tune alerts by
>>> filtering the stuff inside apps. Rather than saying "this app has
>>> received this one of many things, you are now alerted".
>>
>> My phone has considerable customisation of notifications. It’s in the
>> settings section for Apps & notifications and there’s more in other places.
>> I’m on Android 10.
>
> My phone alerts me every time it loses (and regains) GSM signal. Given
> how patchy O2 service is here, it's pretty annoying. I have tried for
> ages to turn this of, and nothing seems to budge it.
>
> My wife two-ago phone had the exact same problem, and we never managed
> to fix that either.

So back to the current issue, have you tried to find the alert settings and
see what you can change, or is that process another victim of either the
limited customisation of the phone you’ve been given, or that you see no
point because you’re never going to (be able to) try to configure your mail
systems in a more usable way?

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On 15/12/2021 11:57, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sp7sjr$knq$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:32:59 on Mon, 13 Dec
>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <sp7qaj$6n7$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:53:56 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <sov2qn$eb4$6@dont-email.me>, at 08:23:51 on Fri, 10 Dec
>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 19:21, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <soo710$nau$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:32 on Tue, 7 Dec
>>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  If rail tickets were the only ecommerce product I ever bought, it
>>>>>>>>>> might,  just, be acceptable. But given that I buy from perhaps a
>>>>>>>>>> hundred, it's a  bit rich for whatever ATOC/Fat-Controller is called
>>>>>>>>>> this week to expect  me to bend over backwards for *their*
>>>>>>>>>> convenience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Far better, if we got back to the hear of this thread, they could
>>>>>>>>>> be bothered to keep their ticket machines operational, or provide
>>>>>>>>>> PERTIS machines, so passengers weren't forced to buy at the last
>>>>>>>>>> minute using their mobile, stood in the rain in the station car
>>>>>>>>>> park, on pain of a £100 fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to get yourself organised, oh, and an umbrella. Personally
>>>>>>>>> if it is pouring with rail I'd do the on-line ordering before I got
>>>>>>>>> out of the car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I don't know the TVM is broken until I get to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't stop you going back to the car to get out f the rain or even
>>>>>>> sheltering under the station canopy while you order the ticket. No need
>>>>>>> to stand in the rain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The car is parked at least a hundred yards away, the station has no
>>>>>> canopy, and the train is due in five minutes (which would be plenty of
>>>>>> time to buy a ticket from a working TVM).
>>>>>
>>>>> Won’t you get wet using the TVM?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but only for about twenty seconds.
>>>
>>> No, you’ll get wet for the 5 minutes you’re waiting for the train. Next.
>>
>> The time interval in question is when one puts down the umbrella,
>> because I don't have three arms.
>
> I’ve not come across a TVM which requires 2 arms to operate it. Can you
> explain?
>

A TVM in the sun requires one arm to operate the thing and the other to
shield the screen. I suspect one screen a few years back got too hot to
actually work.

In message <spcfdt$kum$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:18:37 on Wed, 15 Dec
2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ul44rgh3pooqqimstcdg7bt0tv3npqfi12@4ax.com>, at 14:46:17 on
>> Thu, 9 Dec 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>> remarked:
>>
>>> Gmail (on my phone) and Apple Mail (on my iPad) work fine for me. Both
>>> of them support all the email accounts that I use. Looking at Spark on
>>> Google Play, I see that it, too, can connect to Gmail, Exchange and
>>> IMAP, and can handle multiple email accounts on the same device. It has
>>> a few features which Gmail and Apple Mail don't have (such as the
>>> ability to schedule email to be sent in the future), but none of them
>>> look like the killer feature that would persuade me to switch.
>>
>> A killer feature could be along the lines of "how can it show me a
>> display with a hundred or so waiting emails to pick from, on such a
>> small screen"?
>
>Use the search function?

That only works if you know who has sent you an email, what the subject
might be, and so on. Even then I prefer to see them all so I can eyeball
the ones which need attention first, rather than doing a dozen
sequential speculative searches once an hour.
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In message <spb4hj$rht$2@dont-email.me>, at 22:06:43 on Tue, 14 Dec
2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <spaj3r$2m6$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:09:15 on Tue, 14 Dec
>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:16:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <puahrghpk13hqjvcqr1k6j9mqmat6rq3s5@4ax.com>, at 14:42:38 on
>>>>> Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mean that. I mean that using a phone over which you have no
>>>>>> control puts you in a very small minority. Almost all travellers who use
>>>>>> any form of electronic ticketing will do so on a phone that they own, or
>>>>>> at least have admin rights over.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, so an alternative set of goalposts, I'll play.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your contention is that business users with work phones will normally
>>>>> have admin rights over them - pardon me while I tiptoe over all these IT
>>>>> department dead bodies.
>>>>
>>>> How many people travel on trains using electronic tickets delivered to a
>>>> company mobile phone? And, of those people, how many of them are using a
>>>> phone supplied by a company with an IT department which forces them to
>>>> use a particular combination of non-standard email app and PDF reader
>>>> app which makes it difficult or impossible to get tickets delivered to
>>>> that phone by email?
>>>>
>>>> The last time I had a company phone, it was a bog-standard iPhone
>>>> maintained by the IT department. Everything was Apple default apps. But,
>>>> y'know, that's fine. I'm not an Apple fanboi; I prefer Android on a
>>>> phone. But there was nothing that I needed to do on that phone that I
>>>> couldn't do. Apple Mail worked fine with the company email system. Apple
>>>> Mail opens PDFs natively, it doesn't even need to open an external app
>>>> to view them. So it would have been fine for electronic ticketing, if
>>>> I'd ever used it for that.
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, any company phone these days that is controlled by a
>>> proper IT department is an iPhone. I guess that’s down to the fractured
>>> nature of Android.
>>
>> Apart from one I have experience with, who are Samsung. Which is also
>> due to not having a bottomless pit of money.
>
>You seem to be terrified about the cost of Apple kit. But companies take
>into account the longer service life, so the cost per annum is closer. I
>think iPhones are also more controllable and secure. And as you have so
>successfully demonstrated in this thread, iPhones are simpler for
>non-technical users.
>
>Any US company thst has a corporate standard will likely choose Apple, but
>maybe not very SMEs in Ely.

If you've got 50 company phones, it's still a lot of extra money,
compared to an entry level Samsung that you are mainly issuing for voice
calls and the occasional photo.
--
Roland Perry

In message <zByLTvf68buhFAJP@perry.uk>, at 10:11:06 on Wed, 15 Dec 2021,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:
>>>That's interesting. Are you saying that the QR code is a jpeg embedded
>>>in the PDF? (There's still the open question why an e-ticket needs so
>>>much information, when an 8-digit code should be sufficient to index the
>>>database).
>>
>>Well, I don't know for certain, since I don't happen to have a railway
>>e-ticket available to inspect.
>
>I could send you one, if you like. [And I have, don't use it all at
>once, because it's out of date and needs a child railcard]

Bounced.
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Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Talking of clunky, I parked my car at a station recently, and the
>>> payment scheme wasn't any of the several apps I've had to set up (almost
>>> all of them subsequently only to be used once) and the ticket machine
>>> was very cumbersome. They clearly expect people to learn about it from
>>> experience, rather than actually having a decent user interface. Good
>>> news is, the screen was readable, the one at a hospital I visited a
>>> couple of years ago the backlight appeared to be broken, and in the
>>> absence of any street lighting, it was impossible to use without a
>>> torch.
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't everyone carry a torch in their pocket these days?
>>
>
> Roland probably doesn't know his phone includes a torch, or how to switch
> it on.

[sub-thread convergence] And he’d have to put his umbrella down.

Sam

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In message <spavjl$qqm$2@dont-email.me>, at 20:42:29 on Tue, 14 Dec
2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Railway ticketing is fundamentally broken due the now Byzantine fare
>>>> structure, which nobody seems willing to reform. No amount of fiddling with
>>>> user interfaces is going to fix that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And don't forget that the majority of it, still, was inherited from BR.
>>>
>>> The problem is that any deep reform to fix it (eg, starting again from a
>>> blank sheet with no reference to existing fares) is going to have some
>>> winners (now with cheaper fares) and some losers (now with more expensive
>>> fares) [1], and you can bet which will make headlines and which won't.
>>>
>>> [1] unless accompanied by a reversal of the 'transfer cost from taxpayer to
>>> farebox' policy
>>>
>>
>> I’m not sure I buy the BR argument. Pre privatisation we had singles,
>> returns, off peak returns and savers (Intercity to London). More
>> importantly, the price differences between them were reasonable. Now
>> returns have become Anytimes and are eye wateringly priced (£170 for 100
>> miles to London).
>
>In the absence of a single event which raised certain fares, the whole
>system is an evolution of the BR fare system. And the (average) annual
>increase of regulated fares is mandated by the government!
>
>It's also worth remembering that government policy for many years has been
>to move costs from the taxpayer to the farebox.
>
>> And there was none of this Advance ticket rubbish that
>> restricts you to a given train.
>
>BR introduced those.

Indeed, and not long after privatisation MML did a rationalisation
exercise on the confetti of special-case fares they had inherited from
BR. I exaggerate slightly, but "OAP going to the theatre in the evening
on a specific train, midweek, as long as there are two of you, and
booked between seven and two days in advance".
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:16:00 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <spcfck$km2$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:56 on Wed, 15 Dec
>2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>>>> [1] I used to print off the barcoded A4 sheets from BMIbaby which got
>>>>> rejected about half the time at the security lane, so had to go
>>>>> queue at the ticket desk to get a replacement.
>>>>
>>>> That was many years ago. Tech has moved on since your flying days.
>>>
>>> Do Easyjet no longer let you print off paper boarding passes?
>>
>>Yes, of course you can.
>
>It's not completely moved on, then.

Read what I said, not what you want it say.

<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 11:57, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <sp7sjr$knq$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:32:59 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <sp7qaj$6n7$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:53:56 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>>>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <sov2qn$eb4$6@dont-email.me>, at 08:23:51 on Fri, 10 Dec
>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 19:21, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <soo710$nau$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:32 on Tue, 7 Dec
>>>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  If rail tickets were the only ecommerce product I ever bought, it
>>>>>>>>>>> might,  just, be acceptable. But given that I buy from perhaps a
>>>>>>>>>>> hundred, it's a  bit rich for whatever ATOC/Fat-Controller is called
>>>>>>>>>>> this week to expect  me to bend over backwards for *their*
>>>>>>>>>>> convenience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Far better, if we got back to the hear of this thread, they could
>>>>>>>>>>> be bothered to keep their ticket machines operational, or provide
>>>>>>>>>>> PERTIS machines, so passengers weren't forced to buy at the last
>>>>>>>>>>> minute using their mobile, stood in the rain in the station car
>>>>>>>>>>> park, on pain of a £100 fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You need to get yourself organised, oh, and an umbrella. Personally
>>>>>>>>>> if it is pouring with rail I'd do the on-line ordering before I got
>>>>>>>>>> out of the car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I don't know the TVM is broken until I get to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't stop you going back to the car to get out f the rain or even
>>>>>>>> sheltering under the station canopy while you order the ticket. No need
>>>>>>>> to stand in the rain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The car is parked at least a hundred yards away, the station has no
>>>>>>> canopy, and the train is due in five minutes (which would be plenty of
>>>>>>> time to buy a ticket from a working TVM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Won’t you get wet using the TVM?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but only for about twenty seconds.
>>>>
>>>> No, you’ll get wet for the 5 minutes you’re waiting for the train. Next.
>>>
>>> The time interval in question is when one puts down the umbrella,
>>> because I don't have three arms.
>>
>> I’ve not come across a TVM which requires 2 arms to operate it. Can you
>> explain?
>>
>
> A TVM in the sun requires one arm to operate the thing and the other to
> shield the screen. I suspect one screen a few years back got too hot to
> actually work.

Right, so Roland will have to get wet for 20 seconds while he puts his
umbrella down so he can shield the screen from the sun. I can imagine a
situation where that might be the case, but I would submit that it would be
fairly rare.

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In message <4KF5hmunlMuhFAZN@perry.uk>, at 16:42:15 on Tue, 14 Dec 2021,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> remarked:

>>>>> I keep meaning to study the BBC Breakfast (etc) clocks in more
>>>>> detail to see how far off they are, especially as one of their Covid
>>>>> geeks has a digital clock on the wall behind him. I have two adjacent
>>>>> TVs, one on Freesat, the other on Freeview, and they are about two
>>>>> seconds apart.
>>>>
>>>> One has the signal travelling a lot further than the other. Add in he
>>>> digital delays on each tx chain (and rx chain) and you are going to get
>>>> noticeable variations between nominally the same stations.
>>>
>>> Doesn't superficially explain why the terrestrial version is lagging
>>> the satellite (although the explanation has to be the terrestrial
>>> transmitter is getting a satellite feed, and is adding in a decode/
>>> recode delay). It's about two seconds.
>>
>>Are they the same model of TV/decoder? Do they have a PVR function that
>>might be intercepting the signal before displaying it? I’m not familiar
>>with digital TV or audio broadcasting but I do just about enough about
>>media streaming to be dangerous.
>
>Different brands, and it's the satellite one which has the PVR function
>built in (but annoyingly, requires an external USB HDD, and won't
>recognise an external thumb drive[1]). But I do have a "separates"
>Freeview PVR plugged into the terrestrial one, so later I'll see what
>the timings are on that, compared to the Freesat.

Exactly the same amount of delay. Two seconds (or however long it takes
the announcer to say "and on BBC iPlayer").

That's a helpful thing to measure because they always pause after that.

So the satellite TV goes "blah blah blah trailer crap crap crap
available live and on BBC iPlayer [silence]", and the terrestrial TV
echoes over the silence "and on BBC iPlayer".
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:39:13 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 15/12/2021 09:54, Recliner wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:KDnlDOXuNbuhFAuX@perry.uk...
>>>>>>>>> In any case, the key part of an e-ticket is the QR code, which is
>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>> an embedded image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Are you saying that the QR code is a jpeg embedded
>>>>>>>> in the PDF?
>>>
>>> Yes I'm surprised at this. I'd expect a QR or bar code to be a vector image
>>> (eg SVG) that was capable of being rescaled by the browser/PDF reader
>>> without scaling or lossy-compression artefacts.
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure at least some are, maybe most. I don't know if there's a
>> general rule for embedded QR codes? In any case, I really don't think
>> they'd be JPEGs.
>>
>> The NHS vaccination QR codes do seem to be vector diagrams.
>>
>I was just looking at mine and can confirm that.

Interestingly, they're not password protected, and I can edit the documents in a vector editing program. For example, I
can change my name and DoB, and could easily replace the QR code. If there are venues that just read the text, rather
than scanning the code, the document is completely fakeable. I don't know how easily the QR codes themselves could be
faked.

On 15/12/2021 12:18, Sam Wilson wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 15/12/2021 11:57, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <sp7sjr$knq$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:32:59 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <sp7qaj$6n7$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:53:56 on Mon, 13 Dec
>>>>>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <sov2qn$eb4$6@dont-email.me>, at 08:23:51 on Fri, 10 Dec
>>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 09/12/2021 19:21, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <soo710$nau$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:52:32 on Tue, 7 Dec
>>>>>>>>>> 2021, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  If rail tickets were the only ecommerce product I ever bought, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> might,  just, be acceptable. But given that I buy from perhaps a
>>>>>>>>>>>> hundred, it's a  bit rich for whatever ATOC/Fat-Controller is called
>>>>>>>>>>>> this week to expect  me to bend over backwards for *their*
>>>>>>>>>>>> convenience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Far better, if we got back to the hear of this thread, they could
>>>>>>>>>>>> be bothered to keep their ticket machines operational, or provide
>>>>>>>>>>>> PERTIS machines, so passengers weren't forced to buy at the last
>>>>>>>>>>>> minute using their mobile, stood in the rain in the station car
>>>>>>>>>>>> park, on pain of a £100 fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get yourself organised, oh, and an umbrella. Personally
>>>>>>>>>>> if it is pouring with rail I'd do the on-line ordering before I got
>>>>>>>>>>> out of the car.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I don't know the TVM is broken until I get to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't stop you going back to the car to get out f the rain or even
>>>>>>>>> sheltering under the station canopy while you order the ticket. No need
>>>>>>>>> to stand in the rain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The car is parked at least a hundred yards away, the station has no
>>>>>>>> canopy, and the train is due in five minutes (which would be plenty of
>>>>>>>> time to buy a ticket from a working TVM).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Won’t you get wet using the TVM?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but only for about twenty seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you’ll get wet for the 5 minutes you’re waiting for the train. Next.
>>>>
>>>> The time interval in question is when one puts down the umbrella,
>>>> because I don't have three arms.
>>>
>>> I’ve not come across a TVM which requires 2 arms to operate it. Can you
>>> explain?
>>>
>>
>> A TVM in the sun requires one arm to operate the thing and the other to
>> shield the screen. I suspect one screen a few years back got too hot to
>> actually work.
>
> Right, so Roland will have to get wet for 20 seconds while he puts his
> umbrella down so he can shield the screen from the sun. I can imagine a
> situation where that might be the case, but I would submit that it would be
> fairly rare.
>
Think about it you would need a third hard to hold your selection code
if you're collecting pre-booked tickets

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:48:47 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1AQazrZybbuhFAoY@perry.uk...
>
>> While I haven't be "getting out" much recently because of the pandemic,
>> I'm sure there were many trains which just had 13A sockets (not USB
>> points).
>
>If I needed to use my phone or other USB-charged device on a train for a
>long time (or to leave enough battery for the rest of the day) I'd always
>take my mains charger in case there wasn't a USB charging socket. Also,
>charging by mains, using a fast-rate charger (device and USB charger
>negotiate a higher voltage and/or higher current) is quicker than charging
>by non-enhanced USB: that may be relevant for a shorter journey where there
>isn't much charging time on the train.
>
>Actually, if I really need to have phone power (and power for other USB
>devices) all day when I'm on the move, I take a USB battery, but that is
>fairly heavy, and a lead disappearing into a coat pocket or a bag might
>attract the attention of anti-terrorist people :-(

USB power packs can be small and light, and still power a phone for the day. They can fit in the pocket with the phone
and short cable.

In message <06njrglosmr3n7ltac9n7c42m0k23pge5c@4ax.com>, at 12:17:23 on
Wed, 15 Dec 2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:16:00 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <spcfck$km2$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:17:56 on Wed, 15 Dec
>>2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>>>> [1] I used to print off the barcoded A4 sheets from BMIbaby which got
>>>>>> rejected about half the time at the security lane, so had to go
>>>>>> queue at the ticket desk to get a replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was many years ago. Tech has moved on since your flying days.
>>>>
>>>> Do Easyjet no longer let you print off paper boarding passes?
>>>
>>>Yes, of course you can.
>>
>>It's not completely moved on, then.
>
>Read what I said, not what you want it say.

You suppose that introducing smartphone boarding cards has mysteriously
fixed their inability to reliably scan P&H ones?
--
Roland Perry

In message <spclj9$vjh$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:03:53 on Wed, 15 Dec
2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sp7t2k$tbf$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:40:52 on Mon, 13 Dec
>> 2021, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> It seems more than a little ironic that you’re complaining about other
>>>>> people using 1992 technology when part of your complaint is that you’re
>>>>> effectively limited to even older technology.
>>>>
>>>> What's older about a smartphone and an Android app?
>>>
>>> Your claim that they are basically emulating a pager, a technology
>>> developed in the 1950s.
>>
>> That's a limitation in the extraordinarily basic Exchange email viewer
>> supplied on the phone. While it's possible to open and reply to emails,
>> it's more trouble than it's worth except in an emergency. So it's simply
>> acting as a pager to have me go run 'proper' Outlook (which is also
>> pretty basic compared to my personal email client) on a PC.
>>
>>>>>> I have no control over the phone, or the apps I'm allowed to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there’s your trouble.
>>>>
>>>> We are where we are. And I won't be the only passenger in the same
>>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> Which just about makes you unique in present company.
>>
>> A very different set of people to the general public.
>
>And you’re not?

Indeed I am not. I am a career engineer and (while not my exclusive
occupation) specialist at creating products which succeed because they
have been painstakingly designed to fit well with the needs and skills
of the non-geeky consumer.

Where so many designers fail is they make products for themselves and
their geeky friends, and then rapidly run out of customers.

>>>>>> My other (personal) phone would be pinging constantly if all my email
>>>>>> was directed towards it. On a rough estimate I have perhaps 500k in my
>>>>>> email-iverse over the last ten years, so that's 50k a year, 200 per
>>>>>> working day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On top of all the alerts for other things (Facebook postings in threads
>>>>>> I'm interested in, Tweets from people I follow, etc etc) it would be
>>>>>> wall to wall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then configure the alert settings, for goodness’ sake!
>>>>
>>>> The alerts arise from swamping the phone with superfluous emails. I'm
>>>> not aware of a way that Android allows the user to fine-tune alerts by
>>>> filtering the stuff inside apps. Rather than saying "this app has
>>>> received this one of many things, you are now alerted".
>>>
>>> My phone has considerable customisation of notifications. It’s in the
>>> settings section for Apps & notifications and there’s more in
>>>other places.
>>> I’m on Android 10.
>>
>> My phone alerts me every time it loses (and regains) GSM signal. Given
>> how patchy O2 service is here, it's pretty annoying. I have tried for
>> ages to turn this of, and nothing seems to budge it.
>>
>> My wife two-ago phone had the exact same problem, and we never managed
>> to fix that either.
>
>So back to the current issue, have you tried to find the alert settings and
>see what you can change, or is that process another victim of either the
>limited customisation of the phone you’ve been given,

The loss-of-GSM signal is on my personal phone, and I had another poke
around last night and can't find anything in the settings menus that
might address this particular problem. There's plenty about "alerts",
but not this one.

>or that you see no point because you’re never going to (be able to)
>try to configure your mail systems in a more usable way?

The use of email on a phone (rather than a desktop) is a much wider
issue than quenching one irritating alert which has noting to do with
email.

ps Still waiting for anyone familiar with the train apps to tell me how
to pull pdfs into them. I'm happy to admit I've exhausted all avenues
here. I'll even send you a pdf ticket [which is all GA sent me, so it
must be all they think you need] to play with.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:57:33 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <spb4hj$rht$2@dont-email.me>, at 22:06:43 on Tue, 14 Dec
>2021, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <spaj3r$2m6$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:09:15 on Tue, 14 Dec
>>> 2021, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:16:10 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <puahrghpk13hqjvcqr1k6j9mqmat6rq3s5@4ax.com>, at 14:42:38 on
>>>>>> Tue, 14 Dec 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't mean that. I mean that using a phone over which you have no
>>>>>>> control puts you in a very small minority. Almost all travellers who use
>>>>>>> any form of electronic ticketing will do so on a phone that they own, or
>>>>>>> at least have admin rights over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, so an alternative set of goalposts, I'll play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your contention is that business users with work phones will normally
>>>>>> have admin rights over them - pardon me while I tiptoe over all these IT
>>>>>> department dead bodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people travel on trains using electronic tickets delivered to a
>>>>> company mobile phone? And, of those people, how many of them are using a
>>>>> phone supplied by a company with an IT department which forces them to
>>>>> use a particular combination of non-standard email app and PDF reader
>>>>> app which makes it difficult or impossible to get tickets delivered to
>>>>> that phone by email?
>>>>>
>>>>> The last time I had a company phone, it was a bog-standard iPhone
>>>>> maintained by the IT department. Everything was Apple default apps. But,
>>>>> y'know, that's fine. I'm not an Apple fanboi; I prefer Android on a
>>>>> phone. But there was nothing that I needed to do on that phone that I
>>>>> couldn't do. Apple Mail worked fine with the company email system. Apple
>>>>> Mail opens PDFs natively, it doesn't even need to open an external app
>>>>> to view them. So it would have been fine for electronic ticketing, if
>>>>> I'd ever used it for that.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell, any company phone these days that is controlled by a
>>>> proper IT department is an iPhone. I guess that’s down to the fractured
>>>> nature of Android.
>>>
>>> Apart from one I have experience with, who are Samsung. Which is also
>>> due to not having a bottomless pit of money.
>>
>>You seem to be terrified about the cost of Apple kit. But companies take
>>into account the longer service life, so the cost per annum is closer. I
>>think iPhones are also more controllable and secure. And as you have so
>>successfully demonstrated in this thread, iPhones are simpler for
>>non-technical users.
>>
>>Any US company thst has a corporate standard will likely choose Apple, but
>>maybe not very SMEs in Ely.
>
>If you've got 50 company phones, it's still a lot of extra money,
>compared to an entry level Samsung that you are mainly issuing for voice
>calls and the occasional photo.

That's not how company phones are used. Your need for an ultra-cheap, secondhand personal phone is not representative of
business phones.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <spcfdt$kum$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:18:37 on Wed, 15 Dec
> 2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <ul44rgh3pooqqimstcdg7bt0tv3npqfi12@4ax.com>, at 14:46:17 on
>>> Thu, 9 Dec 2021, Mark Goodge <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>>> remarked:
>>>
>>>> Gmail (on my phone) and Apple Mail (on my iPad) work fine for me. Both
>>>> of them support all the email accounts that I use. Looking at Spark on
>>>> Google Play, I see that it, too, can connect to Gmail, Exchange and
>>>> IMAP, and can handle multiple email accounts on the same device. It has
>>>> a few features which Gmail and Apple Mail don't have (such as the
>>>> ability to schedule email to be sent in the future), but none of them
>>>> look like the killer feature that would persuade me to switch.
>>>
>>> A killer feature could be along the lines of "how can it show me a
>>> display with a hundred or so waiting emails to pick from, on such a
>>> small screen"?
>>
>> Use the search function?
>
> That only works if you know who has sent you an email, what the subject
> might be, and so on. Even then I prefer to see them all so I can eyeball
> the ones which need attention first, rather than doing a dozen
> sequential speculative searches once an hour.

Wait, wait, come back here with those goalposts!!

I thought we were talking about standing in a rain-swept car park, trying
to find the email containing the pdf you’ve just been sent after buying
tickets through a TOC app, having found the ticket office closed and the
TVM broken?

So you know exactly what you're looking for, no need to prioritise other
emails in that moment, or searching hourly…

Anna Noyd-Dryver

In message <spcfdt$kum$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:18:37 on Wed, 15 Dec
2021, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:

>> You are failing to answer the question of why I should go to all that
>> bother, for just one of a hundred suppliers of e-commerce facilities,
>> who insists on using 1992 technology to deliver tickets, simply because
>> they propose to fine me £100 when *their* TVM is broken.
>
>Do they? Surely 'ticket office closed and TVM broken' means 'no ticket
>purchasing opportunities available' and therefore purchasing on-board or at
>destination without penalty?

Parking for a moment that it's probably "at the earliest opportunity,
even if that means missing a connection where you next change trains",
the signage doesn't give passengers any comfort that this is the case,
nor might passengers think that if the TOC can't be bothered to keep
their TVMs working, that they'd bother to realise they aren't working,
and then warn all destination stations that ticketless, but immune,
passengers were heading in their direction.
--
Roland Perry

In message <spciuk$bc8$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:18:44 on Wed, 15 Dec
2021, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:

>>> Tell you what, this is how it *should* work:
>>>
>>> First of all provide paper tickets for people who want them. Actually,
>>> there are stations on the line where paper tickets from a TVM are *all*
>>> you have, for car parking.
>>>
>>> But for travellers, write an app that they can call up just before the
>>> train is due (not least because if the train turns out to have been
>>> cancelled, they might want to make alternative arrangements rather than
>>> wait an hour for the next one). Refund the parking ticket - maybe.
>>>
>>> The app knows where they are, and what the traveller's favourite tickets
>>> are. Bring up a pick-list, but obviously with a "something else",
>>> leading to some queries, if they are being adventurous.
>>>
>>> Push the ticket to the phone, so that *all* they have to do is present
>>> their NFC to a validator or barrier.
>>>
>>> Note the time when they touched out at the other end (the app would have
>>> to be tickling the NFC in anticipation) and twice for the return trip.
>>> At the end of the day, work out what the most appropriate fare would be
>>> (anytime, off-peak, railcard validity etc) and charge that to the
>>> customer's credit card.
>>>
>>> Send a simple SMS to the phone to confirm, and an email for archive
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> If you want to put a cherry on the cake, automatically work out any
>>> delay-repay that's due, based on the train they must have been aiming
>>> for when they boarded, and what time the trains actually ran.
>>>
>>> There's no new or exciting technology there, just bothering to give the
>>> customer a better experience.

>> That's basically what SBB EasyRide does, but ISTR you (and Martin?)
>> complaining that that wasn't suitable either…

Is it suitable for buying tickets from Ely to Soham? If so I'll give it
a go. (I've had an SBB app on my phone for years)

>I'm happy with TfW's m-tickets using their website and app in
>conjunction. I have their ITSO card all ready for when they implement
>it for normal tickets.
>
>What I am not happy about is using emailed PDFs on my phone. I could
>configure my email provider's system to add an additional email address
>on my phone and home computer but I have no immediate need or
>inclination to spend the time and effort. What's the point when TfW's
>m-tickets work seamlessly.

Because one day you might be further afield.
--
Roland Perry

On 15/12/2021 12:42, Recliner wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:39:13 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2021 09:54, Recliner wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:KDnlDOXuNbuhFAuX@perry.uk...
>>>>>>>>>> In any case, the key part of an e-ticket is the QR code, which is
>>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>> an embedded image.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Are you saying that the QR code is a jpeg embedded
>>>>>>>>> in the PDF?
>>>>
>>>> Yes I'm surprised at this. I'd expect a QR or bar code to be a vector image
>>>> (eg SVG) that was capable of being rescaled by the browser/PDF reader
>>>> without scaling or lossy-compression artefacts.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure at least some are, maybe most. I don't know if there's a
>>> general rule for embedded QR codes? In any case, I really don't think
>>> they'd be JPEGs.
>>>
>>> The NHS vaccination QR codes do seem to be vector diagrams.
>>>
>> I was just looking at mine and can confirm that.
>
> Interestingly, they're not password protected, and I can edit the documents in a vector editing program. For example, I
> can change my name and DoB, and could easily replace the QR code. If there are venues that just read the text, rather
> than scanning the code, the document is completely fakeable. I don't know how easily the QR codes themselves could be
> faked.
>
I opened mine in Libre Office so easy enough the text. Probably all you
need to do to the QR code is to corrupt it enough to become unreadable
and the venue will just be forced to read the text part. Not very clever.

On 15/12/2021 12:59, Recliner wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:48:47 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1AQazrZybbuhFAoY@perry.uk...
>>
>>> While I haven't be "getting out" much recently because of the pandemic,
>>> I'm sure there were many trains which just had 13A sockets (not USB
>>> points).
>>
>> If I needed to use my phone or other USB-charged device on a train for a
>> long time (or to leave enough battery for the rest of the day) I'd always
>> take my mains charger in case there wasn't a USB charging socket. Also,
>> charging by mains, using a fast-rate charger (device and USB charger
>> negotiate a higher voltage and/or higher current) is quicker than charging
>> by non-enhanced USB: that may be relevant for a shorter journey where there
>> isn't much charging time on the train.
>>
>> Actually, if I really need to have phone power (and power for other USB
>> devices) all day when I'm on the move, I take a USB battery, but that is
>> fairly heavy, and a lead disappearing into a coat pocket or a bag might
>> attract the attention of anti-terrorist people :-(
>
> USB power packs can be small and light, and still power a phone for the day. They can fit in the pocket with the phone
> and short cable.
>
I only carry a pawer pack on XC University. Not at all on TfW and a
mains adaptor on gWr HSTs. I cannot remember what is needed on the XC's
HSTs or the Pompey services.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:21:17 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 15/12/2021 12:42, Recliner wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:39:13 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2021 09:54, Recliner wrote:
>>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:KDnlDOXuNbuhFAuX@perry.uk...
>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, the key part of an e-ticket is the QR code, which is
>>>>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>> an embedded image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's interesting. Are you saying that the QR code is a jpeg embedded
>>>>>>>>>> in the PDF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I'm surprised at this. I'd expect a QR or bar code to be a vector image
>>>>> (eg SVG) that was capable of being rescaled by the browser/PDF reader
>>>>> without scaling or lossy-compression artefacts.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I'm sure at least some are, maybe most. I don't know if there's a
>>>> general rule for embedded QR codes? In any case, I really don't think
>>>> they'd be JPEGs.
>>>>
>>>> The NHS vaccination QR codes do seem to be vector diagrams.
>>>>
>>> I was just looking at mine and can confirm that.
>>
>> Interestingly, they're not password protected, and I can edit the documents in a vector editing program. For example, I
>> can change my name and DoB, and could easily replace the QR code. If there are venues that just read the text, rather
>> than scanning the code, the document is completely fakeable. I don't know how easily the QR codes themselves could be
>> faked.
>>
>I opened mine in Libre Office so easy enough the text. Probably all you
>need to do to the QR code is to corrupt it enough to become unreadable
>and the venue will just be forced to read the text part. Not very clever.

Yes, that's a good point.